Sad day
Apr 12th 2013, 12:58 am
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Re: Sad day
Interesting reading today-one of the South Yorkshire mines has only just closed.
I find myself at odds with most of you on here. I am from the North East and my opinions are based on what she did to the heavy industry and manufacturing heartlands. Large areas of the country were laid waste and people's lives and livelihoods were tossed aside giving them the only option to go on benefits or 'get on their bikes' [often easier said than done].
I agree that if mines, steelworks etc were unprofitable, then close them down. But there needed to be a plan for the future, some policy of regeneration in those areas rather than letting them rot. To me, a 'great' leader would have realised the effects of her policies, not allowed the fight and winning to become an end in itself and not shown such disregard and contempt for working communities. In my eyes, that in itself means she was not great. She was PM to all the UK and she had a responsibility to all, whether they voted for her or not.
Selfishness and the 'I'm alright,Jack' attitude are not admirable.
I could never see any merit in the poll tax, a tax that is only fair on paper or in a society where there is very little income disparity.
Time to stop I think, this post is long enough
At least my taxes are not going on the pointless and unnecessary recall of Parliament in order to pay tribute to her-a move not supported by all Tories either. Neither will they go on the 'ceremonial' funeral which again does not take into account the discord and division that woman caused. The funeral should have been small, private and family orientated with the taxpayer providing minimal input.
My thoughts on hearing about her death were, oddly enough, relief. No plans to organise a street party either, much as I love a good party
. Maybe now Britain can move on from her legacy and leave Thatcherism in the past where it belongs.
Rant over! Will now go back to answering questions on immigration which is where I tend to hangout! No one will ever change their minds over how they view her and her legacy whatever anyone says.
Peace to you all!
I find myself at odds with most of you on here. I am from the North East and my opinions are based on what she did to the heavy industry and manufacturing heartlands. Large areas of the country were laid waste and people's lives and livelihoods were tossed aside giving them the only option to go on benefits or 'get on their bikes' [often easier said than done].
I agree that if mines, steelworks etc were unprofitable, then close them down. But there needed to be a plan for the future, some policy of regeneration in those areas rather than letting them rot. To me, a 'great' leader would have realised the effects of her policies, not allowed the fight and winning to become an end in itself and not shown such disregard and contempt for working communities. In my eyes, that in itself means she was not great. She was PM to all the UK and she had a responsibility to all, whether they voted for her or not.
Selfishness and the 'I'm alright,Jack' attitude are not admirable.
I could never see any merit in the poll tax, a tax that is only fair on paper or in a society where there is very little income disparity.
Time to stop I think, this post is long enough
At least my taxes are not going on the pointless and unnecessary recall of Parliament in order to pay tribute to her-a move not supported by all Tories either. Neither will they go on the 'ceremonial' funeral which again does not take into account the discord and division that woman caused. The funeral should have been small, private and family orientated with the taxpayer providing minimal input.
My thoughts on hearing about her death were, oddly enough, relief. No plans to organise a street party either, much as I love a good party
. Maybe now Britain can move on from her legacy and leave Thatcherism in the past where it belongs.Rant over! Will now go back to answering questions on immigration which is where I tend to hangout! No one will ever change their minds over how they view her and her legacy whatever anyone says.
Peace to you all!
Peace out.
Apr 12th 2013, 1:35 am
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Re: Sad day
Thatcher turned us into a mini-USA where everything has a monetary value. Is this a positive change? Not in my book but what does that matter in the great scheme of things. I look back and think that overall she has had a hugely negative influence not only on the UK but the world as a whole. She was confrontational and arrogant, but she did have principles. I live in NZ now and the politicians here are a joke, you have no idea what they stand for from one day to the next. I am and will likely always be a socialist so I lean towards Arthur, but he had his faults. I lived through the strike and was deeply affected by it and carry that around with me, but Thatcher was guilty of far more than destroying the NUM. It always amuses me that the strike and Scargill are trundled out every time she is mentioned, do people forget all of the evil that she initiated? Scargill had his flaws, but he was principled and believed in his brand of politics, much the same as Thatcher.
Generally I find that people who lived through the Thatcher years have a polarised view of her. If they prospered they revere her as a saviour of the UK, if they were not so lucky then she is evil. I make no bones, I fall into the latter. Evil nasty woman who crated the society that we have today that is imploding on itself.
Generally I find that people who lived through the Thatcher years have a polarised view of her. If they prospered they revere her as a saviour of the UK, if they were not so lucky then she is evil. I make no bones, I fall into the latter. Evil nasty woman who crated the society that we have today that is imploding on itself.
Apr 12th 2013, 2:47 am
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Peresphone - nothing wrong with your opinion at all
As per nottsscouse, you are entitled to your opinion. Most people are aware what she did to places north of Watford Gap service station.
North East - Durham? Geordie - or unlucky Sedgefield???
Thatcher was well known to create divide, like most PMs do. There's not many Prime Ministers that are in it for everyone or look after everyone. Even Winston Churchill had his flaws
As for pornopants, I agree that the politicans here in NZ are clueless but give me John Key, David Shearer, Bill English and co over Cameron, Osborne, Milliband and Balls. Don't even start me on May, Harman, Mrs Balls and Gove
As per nottsscouse, you are entitled to your opinion. Most people are aware what she did to places north of Watford Gap service station.
North East - Durham? Geordie - or unlucky Sedgefield???
Thatcher was well known to create divide, like most PMs do. There's not many Prime Ministers that are in it for everyone or look after everyone. Even Winston Churchill had his flaws
As for pornopants, I agree that the politicans here in NZ are clueless but give me John Key, David Shearer, Bill English and co over Cameron, Osborne, Milliband and Balls. Don't even start me on May, Harman, Mrs Balls and Gove
Apr 12th 2013, 4:00 am
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Generally I find that people who lived through the Thatcher years have a polarised view of her. If they prospered they revere her as a saviour of the UK, if they were not so lucky then she is evil. I make no bones, I fall into the latter. Evil nasty woman who crated the society that we have today that is imploding on itself.
Generally I find that people who lived through the Thatcher years have a polarised view of her. If they prospered they revere her as a saviour of the UK, if they were not so lucky then she is evil. I make no bones, I fall into the latter. Evil nasty woman who crated the society that we have today that is imploding on itself.
Apr 12th 2013, 4:42 am
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I'm in the didn't like her much boat. The results of many of the policies at that time so many of my friends lost businesses, or houses or were stuck in negative equity (which I think is the worse thing)
She is a conundrum in that her (as Persephone alludes to )utter contempt & disregard to the masses & the affect of her actions.As most if not all politicians have contempt for the masses at least she was honest enough to demonstrate this time & time again. Being the fish's head she can take full blame.
Arrogance? .... "we are a grandmother" pewk
I still don't understand why this person is being given this type of public send off.
Bonkers Boris (nanny syndrome party so hence a big fan) wants an airport in Kent named after her. WTF!!!!!!
She is a conundrum in that her (as Persephone alludes to )utter contempt & disregard to the masses & the affect of her actions.As most if not all politicians have contempt for the masses at least she was honest enough to demonstrate this time & time again. Being the fish's head she can take full blame.
Arrogance? .... "we are a grandmother" pewk
I still don't understand why this person is being given this type of public send off.
Bonkers Boris (nanny syndrome party so hence a big fan) wants an airport in Kent named after her. WTF!!!!!!
Apr 12th 2013, 5:30 am
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Spitting Image - Mad Maggie
RIP
Apr 12th 2013, 8:23 am
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I loved Spitting Image
It still gets me whenever I see Neil Kinnocks soak the rich video
Roy Hattersley comes on and spits all over his colleagues whilst speaking
Probably my favourite spitting image clip
It still gets me whenever I see Neil Kinnocks soak the rich video
Roy Hattersley comes on and spits all over his colleagues whilst speaking
Probably my favourite spitting image clip
Apr 12th 2013, 11:34 pm
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Generally I find that people who lived through the Thatcher years have a polarised view of her. If they prospered they revere her as a saviour of the UK, if they were not so lucky then she is evil. I make no bones, I fall into the latter. Evil nasty woman who crated the society that we have today that is imploding on itself.
Apr 12th 2013, 11:37 pm
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Interesting article. http://www.thecommentator.com/articl..._and_daughters
Apr 12th 2013, 11:44 pm
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Hear hear, sugar shortages, power cuts, 3 day week, strikes every day, bodies not being buried, rubbish piling up in the streets, 6 weeks to get a phone connected, work-to-rule, closed shops, de-markation, baled out by the IMF....the list goes on
Apr 13th 2013, 2:54 am
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The fact that the song "the wicked witch is dead" from The Wizard of Oz has reached the top of the charts in the UK says something presumably about how she polarised the nation, although perhaps this may have been a little orchestrated.
The fact that the BBC are part censoring the playing of it reminds why I'm glad I don't live there any more. It's reached the top of the charts, you should be playing it even if some people might be slightly upset by it, diddums. NZ seems more inclined to dispense with notions of political correctness, and for that I am grateful.
The fact that the BBC are part censoring the playing of it reminds why I'm glad I don't live there any more. It's reached the top of the charts, you should be playing it even if some people might be slightly upset by it, diddums. NZ seems more inclined to dispense with notions of political correctness, and for that I am grateful.
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Apr 13th 2013, 2:58 am
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That's no way to run a country - it's true. But neither was hers. You can't justify her actions on the basis of what she replaced. That's wholly illogical.
Apr 13th 2013, 4:25 am
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Apr 13th 2013, 5:12 am
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An article from today's Herald that adds some balance.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/ne...ectid=10877253
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/ne...ectid=10877253