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billingham Aug 9th 2011 8:51 am

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Originally Posted by DC10 (Post 9546740)
Who gave the (mostly Scottish) banks £62bn?

I thought it was that Scottish PM, back in 2008/9? You know, the one who increased public spending by 120% and ended "boom and bust".

It is pointless to get into a debate about British politics - Labour increases public spending, Tories feather the nests of the rich. Whichever way you think is correct will determine your political stance, unless you are a Liberal, then you have no stance in British politics really.

billingham Aug 9th 2011 8:57 am

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Originally Posted by billingham (Post 9546780)
It is pointless to get into a debate about British politics - Labour increases public spending, Tories feather the nests of the rich. Whichever way you think is correct will determine your political stance, unless you are a Liberal, then you have no stance in British politics really.

sorry - not in a very good mood tonight. It is all very distressing.

DC10 Aug 9th 2011 9:00 am

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No - you're right. It's not the time, and it is distressing.

Stormer999 Aug 9th 2011 9:15 am

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Listening to the BBC news 10 mins ago London Fire services say last night was their worse night since WWII and we now have No go areas around the city where gangs of teenagers have taken complete control.450 people so far arrested in London, 100 in Birmingham and loads more in Nottingham, Manchester and Liverpool. Our politicians are having a MEETING to discuss the problems after cutting their holidays short!
Now the discussions fall to the fact that when the trouble makers CCTV mug hots are shown on TV will the people who know them come forward or will their arrests cause further turmoil.:frown:

Genesis Aug 9th 2011 9:22 am

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Originally Posted by Stormer999 (Post 9546838)
Listening to the BBC news 10 mins ago London Fire services say last night was their worse night since WWII and we now have No go areas around the city where gangs of teenagers have taken complete control.450 people so far arrested in London, 100 in Birmingham and loads more in Nottingham, Manchester and Liverpool. Our politicians are having a MEETING to discuss the problems after cutting their holidays short!
Now the discussions fall to the fact that when the trouble makers CCTV mug hots are shown on TV will the people who know them come forward or will their arrests cause further turmoil.:frown:

Who said it was not a war zone earlier..hands up?? They better get the army in. The Home secretary does look like a right plonker eh? No balls, spiritually or physically.

DC10 Aug 9th 2011 9:25 am

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How are all these rioters getting time off work? They must have planned well in advance

Stormer999 Aug 9th 2011 9:26 am

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Originally Posted by Genesis (Post 9546853)
Who said it was not a war zone earlier..hands up?? They better get the army in. The Home secretary does look like a right plonker eh? No balls, spiritually or physically.

Genesis unfortunately you are spot on on all counts there....:thumbup:

Three youths have been detained trying to kill a police officer......enough is enough...:thumbdown:

Speaking to BBC Breakfast, Theresa May would not be drawn on the option of calling in the army, saying that the UK is policed "by consent".

The home secretary said that unrest needed to stop, but cited "robust policing and good use of intelligence" as the means to this end.

Leither Aug 9th 2011 9:31 am

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Originally Posted by DC10 (Post 9546859)
How are all these rioters getting time off work? They must have planned well in advance


Surely you know the answer to that one?

I love all this "get the army in", "bring in conscription" etc. (Not directed at you BTW, just in general).

How about being a bit radical: why don't the police do their f***ing job that they are paid to do. If they're not turning water cannon on people or using CS gas is it because the politicians have placed restrictions on them? If so, the same restrictions would be put on the army.

If there are no restrictions on them then it's (beyond) time to start getting a bit pro-active.

luvwelly Aug 9th 2011 9:32 am

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Originally Posted by Genesis (Post 9545662)
Get the army in. Restore order with an iron fist. If they don't it will spread everywhere. They are pussy footing around. The army could sort it in a few hours I reckon. They have no bloody will those in charge. Take back the streets and whoop the bastards.

Old leftie me couldn't agree more ;). There is no excuse for this kind of criminal behaviour.
Have the Tory cuts been so swift that there were insufficient police to respond effectively when it first started? Is the whole Army overseas somewhere lol?

Seen it before but not seen the oh so lame response before.

Charismatic Aug 9th 2011 9:35 am

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Dealing with the riots by putting soldiers on the street won’t really nip the problem in the bud. Who is to say it will work at all, so they go home for this week…what about next and in a months’ time? Are we going to have the army on permanent standby to put down social unrest, like Syria?

The UKs unemployment problem needs to be dealt with and fast or I have little confident in the survival of this government, a return of business confidence or balancing the budget.

Edit: Anyway to put the army onto the street would be to admit that cuts to the police force where a massive mistake, it just won't happen.

billingham Aug 9th 2011 9:36 am

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Originally Posted by Genesis (Post 9546853)
Who said it was not a war zone earlier..hands up?? They better get the army in. The Home secretary does look like a right plonker eh? No balls, spiritually or physically.

War Zone - An area in which military combat takes place.

It may be 'like' a war zone to some, but it is not. When the Grenades, Machine Guns, mortars are deployed, on both sides, then it will be a war zone.

What we need is a home secretary who shares your view? Shoot them? Yeah, lots of balls in that decision - machine gun down a load of teenagers. Thank god for castration.

DC10 Aug 9th 2011 9:39 am

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Originally Posted by luvwelly (Post 9546876)
Old leftie me couldn't agree more ;). There is no excuse for this kind of criminal behaviour.
Have the Tory cuts been so swift that there were insufficient police to respond effectively when it first started? Is the whole Army overseas somewhere lol?

Seen it before but not seen the oh so lame response before.

To be fair it is very, very difficult to deal with when you are talking about "flashmobs" of perhaps only a few dozen scumbags suddenly springing up in a new part of town. It takes time to mobilise and prioritise resources.

Do also bear in mind (no, not an excuse) that the trigger (no, not an excuse) for all this was yet another pretty dubious Met Police shooting. Story already changing and backtracking - sounds like the injured policeman was actually shot by police bullets. Quite familiar - the 2005 Brazilian electrician shooting on the Tube made me sick. A very poor reflection on the British establishment that nobody went down for that. They love to prevaricate and fudge.

luvwelly Aug 9th 2011 9:43 am

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Originally Posted by luvwelly (Post 9546876)
Old leftie me couldn't agree more ;). There is no excuse for this kind of criminal behaviour.
Have the Tory cuts been so swift that there were insufficient police to respond effectively when it first started? Is the whole Army overseas somewhere lol?

Seen it before but not seen the oh so lame response before.

Actually I have seen a lame response before. When the fuel protesters picketed outside the oil refineries in the UK and the whole country came to a halt, I couldn't believe why they weren't just carted off by police on Day 1.

Let this escalate any more at your peril. Standing and watching people loot is not an option.

Leither Aug 9th 2011 9:58 am

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The England v Netherlands game has been called off as a result, along with some others.

Linky thing

Genesis Aug 9th 2011 10:02 am

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Originally Posted by billingham (Post 9546885)
War Zone - An area in which military combat takes place.

It may be 'like' a war zone to some, but it is not. When the Grenades, Machine Guns, mortars are deployed, on both sides, then it will be a war zone.

What we need is a home secretary who shares your view? Shoot them? Yeah, lots of balls in that decision - machine gun down a load of teenagers. Thank god for castration.

You make them sound like a bunch of kids out being a bit naughty. They are endangering lives and scaring people shitless. I don't care if they are teenagers, the way they are behaving they deserve facing the barrel of a rifle. They are brainless cowards. Sorry I don't share your liberal views. They need an iron fist to make this go away.


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