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Amen to that. I am not for shooting the looters- sounds like a Mad Max style society!

We have this massive underclass of people who feel they're owed a living for doing nothing. That's what we need to do something about. What, I've no idea!

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Just watch the BBC news, look at a few of the victims and then you will see why some of us want to see some looters and rioters despatched off this mortal coil.

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I was referring to your comment get the army in before it's "too late" before it spreads - Bristol and Liverpool too now.

I totally agree, get the army in, get rid of all the media from the area and give the thugs a good thrashing.

It's just a total excuse for every gang and intellectually challenged idiot in the country to get out, cause trouble and get some free stuff from some poor local business.

The stuff from Comet looted last night appeared on street corners within hours - new tellies for 20 pounds cash!

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Cobra meeting not until 9am GMT today. I fear way more contaigon will be on the streets by then. This makes the 1980's riots look like a tea party.

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Just out of interest - how would you differentiate between the 20 year old hell bent on destruction, and the 11 year old out with his mates nicking a pair of Nike trainers? Unless of course you are saying take your time, arrest them, take them to court, find them guilty, then give them the death penalty for burning a car, whilst the rapist gets 5 years - yeah, good call.

You will just create another set of victims.

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Sorry, I just happen to believe in the death penalty for stuff like this..for rapists too. Its not my fault there is no justice. And in a rioting situation why not take a few out? It would possibly save lots of lives. I wonder how you would feel if your business and home was burned down?? They have now torched a huge Sony centre in Enfield the size of a few footy pitches. Looks like Dante's inferno. Hey but lets send them to court and let them have a wee bit of diversion. I am all for the little people, the innocent and the harmless. Rioters? Shoot them all if its possible. Changed my tack now as it has become a war zone. You shoot in war zones right?

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Why has it got to be either shoot them or nothing? Arrest them, lock them up, send them on boot camp (no matter what age they are), get tough, get them to learn respect.

Back at you. How would you feel, if your 11 year old child was out with his mates causing a disturbance and was shot by the police?

It is not a war zone. Just like Tienanmen square was not a war zone - unless you are going to hold up the Chinese way of dealing with riots as a shining example?

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My son would not be out at 1am rioting..I can assure you of that. I have a degree of control over my kids. And if he/she did steal out of course I would be upset if they died by a police bullet but I am sorry it does not change my mind. Shooting them has an immediate effect. Court cases take weeks to get done. Arresting them will not make others make BIG decisions like going home. A few dead looters and rioters would. And as far as some one torching a car goes I could not care less if they were terminated by a police or army bullet. Play with fire and get burned. Look what has happened because no one has taken the appropriate action. Just like our kids..you can't touch me. Well I wish a bit of high velocity lead was in the air to stop them tonight. I wonder how many poor bastards have lost their jobs through all the businesses being torched. There must be 100s employed (or were) at the Sony centre. Upshot is (pardon the pun) I will not change my mind on this. Army in, guns out, drop a few rioters and it will all go away. Look at Nagasaki and Hiroshima, drastic but it worked. And I am talking about shooting wanton, violent nutters not innocent bystanders. Oh, it is a war zone BTW I have spent the whole morning on the BBc news..their words, the people there not mine.

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I fear that society is in more trouble than I first imagined.

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Riots also spreading to Birmingham, liverpool and bristol apparently! Watching BBC world news

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I really think those army rifles need to be deployed. What do you reckon?? I think the other choice is total mayhem, major loss of more property and probably death of innocent bods. In short anarchy will reign sooner than later unless someone somewhere has the balls to put an end to all the madness. Shooting rioters is sorting the problem and will quell the madness. I might be wrong, it could get worse. But I doubt it. Cowards (which they are) WILL ALWAYS TURN AND RUN WHEN THE HEAT IS TURNED UP. sORRY DIDN'T MEAN TO SHOUT.

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I have seen! I have family in the areas affected but I still don't want people shot!

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I'm not getting into the discussion of shooting people! Sorry

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Just a few verminous looters and rioters.......please??? Pretty please? They are as awful as terrorists in my opinion..isn't that what they are doing? Terrorising society. Only good terrorist is a dead one. Ditto looters and rioters.

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Not one. Not on my watch or on my conscience anyway. I do not want a soft approach taken to this- if you look at the footage so many are youths, some of school age, some late teens and lots of early 20s. Don't they have work to go to? Homes to look after? Where's their mana? You can shoot a handful of them now but I guarantee that won't end the problem as you're only dealing with the symptom and reacting to satisfy your own rage. The rot is pretty deep in societies where whole generations have no real purpose and get paid to hang around doing sweet FA. Work gives people purpose and pride, when it's absent in families for many generations a whole sick worldview creeps in that you can't just shoot dead.

I bet only a handful actually get punished for this- that's sick, really sick. The whole thing makes me sick.

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Indeed it is.

Do we want to live in a world where a 14 year old smashing windows and grabbing the contents of a shop is sentenced to summary execution without trial? Tough luck if she didn't do it but was an on-looker.

Who do we want to gun down next. How about autistic youths that grab light fittings from earthquake damaged buildings in Christchurch? :unsure:

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Just want to add that I have two very close family members who live in London with their partners.

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I am not in a rage, I just want the crap to stop. As a society we are too weak and we view all life as sacred. It is not. Good life, innocent life is sacred, roiting looting scum is not sacred and should be done away with where appropriate. Rioting scum must be stopped and fast, stop the rot now and shoot a few. The rioting will probably stop shortly after the first handful are despatched. I hear endlessly how UK people say crime and punishment is too soft or tourists cannot believe the crap UK plod have to endure from gobby scum bags. I am a believer in caring for society and if that means knocking off some of these bastards I would have no probs with it on my conscience.

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We need law and order. Nothing appears to have worked thus far. We've done the swimming with dolphins, diversion and family intervention. All utter bollocks. Come down hard, real hard and restore order. Singapore would not stand for this and it would have been doused in a few hours. They have balls and don't take any crap. I am sick of whimpy liberal attitudes to societies problems. There will be no society left soon if something pivotal is not done.

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The worrying thing about all of this is that there is a sense of co-ordination in the rioting. Social networking sites, text messaging - the rioters are dodging the police and striking where they are weakest.

We need to know who these ring leaders are - if they are allowed to continue then there will always be mindless youths willing to enter the fray.

Back in the good old days we would have just shipped them all off to Oz - don't you dare!

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Yes social networking has much to do with the orchestration. I always knew there was a valid reason why I loathed all this social networking and moblie phones obsession most people seem to have!!!!!!!

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:rofl: Now thats an idea but the way this country is going we would literally have less than half of the population left.....oooh we could be just like NZ then so not such a bad idea:p

Do I think it is correct to shoot people? ...uh no! However if some thug tries to shoot me I would quite happily retaliate with equivalent force and better aim!
Unfortunately we live in a world where the police have to protect themselves from discredulous individuals should we equip the police with scissors to go to sword fight?...No!

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Oh go on then - you can shoot some mobile phones. :)

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Have just seen Theresa May on the news.

She dosn't exactly inspire confidence.

She is talking about communites rising up against the thugs but I think that's ridiculous. People should be allowed to stay in their homes and feel safe.

We should borrow some water cannons from Northern Ireland and send in the horses. Don't agree whatsoever with shooting at them.

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This is what will occur in any society where the punishment is no longer a deterrent for the crime. The UK works on a system of human rights for the offender and the victim, unfortunately the victim receives his lot from the offender who then hides behind 'human rights' from do-gooders well out of the real World. In a society which is rapidly reducing law enforcement numbers on the street the extremists are always going to be waiting their chance to exploit law abiding organizations.
The people of the UK are already petitioning for re-instatement of corporal punishment and abolishment of the EEC human rights umbrella simply because we have to establish a 'punishment to suit the crime' to try to claw back troublesome areas.
Any one out there with a mask and throwing missiles is guilty.....no matter what skirt they try to hide behind....:thumbdown:

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Just had a chat with my lovely 93 year old Grandad who today is not going out for his milk and paper, he thinks its best he stays in. Where are his Human Rights????:frown::frown::frown:

He said he never thought he would see London on Fire again!!!!

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The Tories are in power pushing budget cuts after giving their mates in the city £62 billion (averting a recession but seeding a depression), normal businesses are no better off and the market is fearful. Youth unemployment has been over 20% for at least 6 months and unions are striking. Now we just need the army on the streets to complete the feeling of division between government and those out of work.

Promise better job creation schemes to avert social conflict? No! Just get the army out there with water cannon, rubber bullets and tear gas to really stir up problems.

Just like the old days again, with a sad air of inevitability :(.

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Jobs for the boys on our public school fuelled system of control.....why change a democratic system that is ticking along so well......:eek:

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Bless him!:wub:

I hope he has nice neighbours who will look out for him.

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It is not like the old days for one very simple reason - skilled people used to be out of work, whereas many of those youths on the street are simply unemployable. Huge difference.

In the past, unemployed people rioted for jobs - now they are just rioting for a free plasma TV.

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Some people could see this coming.

Police chief's warning of a return to '80s-style riots

From Daily Mail April 2009 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1UW6XhqX4

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Thankfully yes, i have never once in my life heard him sound deflated. He is rocked and shocked, as we all are, by this. :(

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I'm glad you mentioned that because university graduate unemployment is also at the highest level since the 90's :rolleyes:. The suggestion that all these people are unemployable is preposterous, their prospects are just shit. There is much to riot about in the UK although I don’t think people generally know that yet.

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Same old, same old. Depressing. Glad I am not there.

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Who gave the (mostly Scottish) banks £62bn?

I thought it was that Scottish PM, back in 2008/9? You know, the one who increased public spending by 120% and ended "boom and bust".

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It is pointless to get into a debate about British politics - Labour increases public spending, Tories feather the nests of the rich. Whichever way you think is correct will determine your political stance, unless you are a Liberal, then you have no stance in British politics really.

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sorry - not in a very good mood tonight. It is all very distressing.

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No - you're right. It's not the time, and it is distressing.

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Listening to the BBC news 10 mins ago London Fire services say last night was their worse night since WWII and we now have No go areas around the city where gangs of teenagers have taken complete control.450 people so far arrested in London, 100 in Birmingham and loads more in Nottingham, Manchester and Liverpool. Our politicians are having a MEETING to discuss the problems after cutting their holidays short!
Now the discussions fall to the fact that when the trouble makers CCTV mug hots are shown on TV will the people who know them come forward or will their arrests cause further turmoil.:frown:

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Who said it was not a war zone earlier..hands up?? They better get the army in. The Home secretary does look like a right plonker eh? No balls, spiritually or physically.