Riots.
#226
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Re: Riots.
Next you’ll be appealing for a reasoned response . Can we not do something about these ghastly poor permanently unemployed people, I’m sure we could outsource this problem to China or send them in lieu of food aid to North Korea?
Honestly though we do need a more permanent solution than water cannon and tear gas, one that breaks the cycle of intergeneration welfare dependence and gets people (especially the young) back on track to being productive members of society . Snuff out the problem at the root now so it isn't a problem later.
Honestly though we do need a more permanent solution than water cannon and tear gas, one that breaks the cycle of intergeneration welfare dependence and gets people (especially the young) back on track to being productive members of society . Snuff out the problem at the root now so it isn't a problem later.
#227
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My Dad was a union man and he went to stand on those picket lines. My Mum was Irish , so both the above you mention were relevant to me and my family.
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#228
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The situation over the last week in English towns has created a united disgust of the greed and violence that occurred. There are family members turning in their own family members to the police and friends shopping friends. According to the press this wasn't all about people with nothing protesting by looting and stealing from business owners, there were rich kids doing the same. It seems as if it was seen as a game, fuelled by the ability to use social networking to get people to target specific areas. I don't think the perpetrators ever thought the whole country would be disgusted by them, they thought we would feel sorry for them, they failed - we don't
#229
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Re: Riots.
This is funny if you're from Glasgow, it's footage of rioting in Edinburgh:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N2kC1jMKZco
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N2kC1jMKZco
Laura
#230
Re: Riots.
The situation over the last week in English towns has created a united disgust of the greed and violence that occurred. There are family members turning in their own family members to the police and friends shopping friends. According to the press this wasn't all about people with nothing protesting by looting and stealing from business owners, there were rich kids doing the same. It seems as if it was seen as a game, fuelled by the ability to use social networking to get people to target specific areas. I don't think the perpetrators ever thought the whole country would be disgusted by them, they thought we would feel sorry for them, they failed - we don't
#231
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There are discussions going on today about removing benefits from those arrested for riot offences - not sure how that would work, but another deterrent.
My husband spoke to a police officer yesterday, who had been deployed to a riot area - when they got back to base in their riot gear after a horrendous night there was a line of people cheering and clapping as they walked back in - the police on the ground did a really good job in horrible circumstances Pretty proud to be British at the moment!
#232
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Amongst those arrested it was reported were a teaching assistant, a millionaires daughter and others with jobs, students who were on courses to become, I think, social workers (no hope after being arrested hey!) Some people have ruined their careers by their actions.
There are discussions going on today about removing benefits from those arrested for riot offences - not sure how that would work, but another deterrent.
My husband spoke to a police officer yesterday, who had been deployed to a riot area - when they got back to base in their riot gear after a horrendous night there was a line of people cheering and clapping as they walked back in - the police on the ground did a really good job in horrible circumstances Pretty proud to be British at the moment!
There are discussions going on today about removing benefits from those arrested for riot offences - not sure how that would work, but another deterrent.
My husband spoke to a police officer yesterday, who had been deployed to a riot area - when they got back to base in their riot gear after a horrendous night there was a line of people cheering and clapping as they walked back in - the police on the ground did a really good job in horrible circumstances Pretty proud to be British at the moment!
I like that story about the police returning to cheers from the general public. I'd not heard that.
#234
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Well look why don't we worry every time we put one in prison, they might come out REALLY angry and hurt lots of people?? If the law was passed you are likely to be shot if you riot two things would happen. 1st forewarned is forearmed..rellies would have not much to complain about, 2nd rioting would not happen..well it might once but unlikely to again with a few dead rats in the street for other rats to see.
Luckily, on the whole, you are in a more egalitarian society. Issues manifest themselves in different ways in NZ, but they are there alright.
I moved back to the UK 2 weeks ago (great timing). For info, I think a more aggressive response early on would have nipped things in the bud and the vast majority of perptrators (its just pointless rhetoric to call them scum or morons) who were just kids, would have melted away. In my opinion
Personally I am very pleased to be back in the UK, but clearly there is a very imbalanced society in evidence. I don't know what the answer is, but its certainly not capital punishment or shoot on sight.
#235
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As the announcement to-day that 16,000 police are to be 'lost' from the countryside policing, then where will be safe to live in England? Rural police numbers are low already and those enforcement officers left admit they are no match for 'townies' travelling to remote areas to rob. If London rioting kicks off again then where will the "extra" police numbers come from?
#236
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So when Cameron promised the police "whatever they needed" what he actually meant "whatever you need, as long as it costs us less money than yesteryear"? I don't remember one of his "big society" measures including giving people shotguns and bean bag rounds .
IMO they are making a big mistake if only in that when they need to rehire the police it'll be at twice the price with training etc.
IMO they are making a big mistake if only in that when they need to rehire the police it'll be at twice the price with training etc.
#237
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Re: Riots.
Or 3, people would still riot and more people would have died? If you are advocating such levels of violent response, its no better than the perpetrators and just escalates the issue. Quite a Dystopian future lies ahead with this line of thinking.
Luckily, on the whole, you are in a more egalitarian society. Issues manifest themselves in different ways in NZ, but they are there alright.
I moved back to the UK 2 weeks ago (great timing). For info, I think a more aggressive response early on would have nipped things in the bud and the vast majority of perptrators (its just pointless rhetoric to call them scum or morons) who were just kids, would have melted away. In my opinion
Personally I am very pleased to be back in the UK, but clearly there is a very imbalanced society in evidence. I don't know what the answer is, but its certainly not capital punishment or shoot on sight.
Luckily, on the whole, you are in a more egalitarian society. Issues manifest themselves in different ways in NZ, but they are there alright.
I moved back to the UK 2 weeks ago (great timing). For info, I think a more aggressive response early on would have nipped things in the bud and the vast majority of perptrators (its just pointless rhetoric to call them scum or morons) who were just kids, would have melted away. In my opinion
Personally I am very pleased to be back in the UK, but clearly there is a very imbalanced society in evidence. I don't know what the answer is, but its certainly not capital punishment or shoot on sight.
So the rioters got what they wanted and the police management got what they wanted.
The police budget presently must be out of sight. I would want a budget for wages for men who are on the beat and a budget for those on desk jobs and then I would like to see whats going for equipment, vans, BMWs, Audis and so on. Saying this another way, what percentage of the funding is going to the policeman who is out on the beat?
Anyone any ideas how much a year a policeman makes in London?
As for this idea for the super cop from the US, that is fantasy. Totally off the wall.
#238
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Re: Riots.
Of course the police held back, they were making a point.
Isn't it strange that the number of officers draughted in to London was exactly the same as the number of officers being cut by the government. What does that mean: does London need 16,000 or 32,000 extra bobbies to keep the peace?
Riots, almost by definition, have political origins, don't let David Cameron pontificating in front of a youth centre's graffited wall tell you differently.
What was is that Nick Clegg said April 2010 about Greek style rioting if the Tories brought in spending cuts? (I'd forgotten about the poll tax riots)
http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/15599056
Isn't it strange that the number of officers draughted in to London was exactly the same as the number of officers being cut by the government. What does that mean: does London need 16,000 or 32,000 extra bobbies to keep the peace?
Riots, almost by definition, have political origins, don't let David Cameron pontificating in front of a youth centre's graffited wall tell you differently.
What was is that Nick Clegg said April 2010 about Greek style rioting if the Tories brought in spending cuts? (I'd forgotten about the poll tax riots)
http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/15599056
#239
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Here we go.......this is exactly why the whole thing started...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14553330
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14553330
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Here we go.......this is exactly why the whole thing started...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14553330
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14553330
Maybe the BBC is partly responsible for this attitude of anything goes that prevails.
BBC mentioned some of the minor offenses. How about some of the other offenses could be mentioned.
BBC could and should produce programs that make people think.
Also as others have said people should take the streets back for use of responsible citizens. I'm thinking of the madness that takes place in cities and towns all over Britain where drunken people take to the streets and among other things bait the police.