Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 9551522)

I think Nero was in Rome.

Some people are very clever with their feet (copyright The Goon Show)

Originally Posted by HelsnLee (Post 9552200)

Poor police enduring this!....every rioting scum gets what they deserve!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456050

Originally Posted by Genesis (Post 9551804)

So how does Singapore manage it with corporal punishment, the death penalty and draconian punishment? I would vote all 3 in tomorrow for the UK and wherever else needs it. As I said there is order in Singapore and crime is very, very low so I understand. I am sick of the masses being shat on by the minority who then get all the "oh he's poor deprived lad" shite. We need to get tough on crime. What has anyone to fear about getting tough on crime if they are not going to break the law? Make punishment for serious crimes as tough as you like. It will never affect me because I behave. But it will have an effect (and a permanent one in some cases) on some of the world's bigger shits.

Originally Posted by lardyl (Post 9552492)

Nice "I'm All Right Jack" attitude.

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Originally Posted by lardyl (Post 9552492)

Nice "I'm All Right Jack" attitude.

Hope your kids don't go off the rails and they can do that for a whole host of reasons, other than your whipping their asses with a strap (although that does help). I know full well and have seen it and have seen what coming down hard on that individual causes, more pain more bad behaviour and violence. Of course you may know different. Just come up with some evidence other than the Singaporean ideal to support it.

Singapore's crime rate is shall we say under-reported, well according to my workmates who spent several years working there who described plenty of crime that was hushed up to keep the figures looking good.

So why are you not living in a Police state? Or the good ol USA where you can see scumbags killed by the state. NZ would seem to be a daft place to live all gangs, no CP, no death penalty......bizzare.

Consequences need to be logical and in proportion, as I've said before being on the streets for a buzz and following your mates into a store to knock off a pair of Nikes does not proportionate with a bullet in the head or even the birch. As a civilisation we got over that about 150 years ago.

These toe-rags who steal, start fires and wreak havoc should have to spend real time cleaning it up, pay reparations and find out the consequences of their actions. I agree with the idea to stop any benefits and removing them from social housing if what they did was serious enough. But shooting them, get real, it's Britain not Pyongyang.

Originally Posted by alanmacc (Post 9546070)

So there you have it kids looting and rioting with no consequences for their actions so they become the "poor wee kids all cought up with the big bad men and who didnt know any better" my arse these kids are clever enough to choose to loot, they know the basic right or wrongs and they choose to break the law knowing only too well that there will be little to no action taken against them :frown: as far as they go i say bring back borstal or put them into the army cadets or the actual army if they are old enough.

We didnt create a dysfunctional society this has been systematicaly manufactured over the years by the same people who are rioting just now and even by their parents and possibly their parents.

Society does not creat a bunch of people to flout the law and riot, people choose to do these things for their own self purpose, it has nothing to do with the general society they are in, if they took a bit of pride in their society these things would never happen, but they make a descision to become law breakers and harm the rest of the decent people round about them who want to live in that place and have done so for many years.

As kids are growing up now there is no fear of the law or of thjeir parents, the law cannot punish then for fear of it being suied for breaching their human rights, parents cannot disipline for fear of being arrested for child abuse, schools cannot disipline other than detention and lines, the country has gone soft.

Corpral punishment in schools, bring back the belt, easy place to start

Allow parents to actually disipline their on kids (yes of course if it becomaes actual abuse make an example of them) but a good old hiding or a hard clip round the ear when they were younger might have put them on another path.

Bring back borstal for young offenders

Bring back conscription for older ones

and finally

Make sure the punishment is an actual deterrant if they are involved in these riots and looting, min 10 years !!! if they are not british nationals or residents 10 years then boot them out.

Ok my rant is done for today :thumbup:

Originally Posted by Genesis (Post 9552498)

What because I have no intention of commiting crime..I'm alright Jack? Are you mad? Stuff the law breakers. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Originally Posted by Genesis (Post 9552504)

We have differing views. I would like to see a few rioters and looters shot. Maybe if you were in amongst it with your loved ones you might change your tune?? I make no apologies for it. As I have said previously I believe it is time for society to get really tough on these verminous members of society. You will be delighted to know lots are getting bail and those who are getting sentenced are getting a mere few weeks in jail. Wow that really is an incentive to never do it again. You prefer liberal justice I prefer it tough. BTW a a bit of a stupid comment suggesting I should live in a police state and not NZ. I chose the country not its laws.

Originally Posted by Genesis (Post 9552127)

2ndly the money you would have wasted on encarcerating the trash could be spent wisely on education to ensure the next lot out of school have a better view on life.

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 9552979)

Before you make that assertion, I suggest you research the cost of administering the death penalty in the few democratic countries that still employ it. Almost across the board, it turns out the cost is higher than life imprisonment. Of course, we could adopt the Chinese and Iranian approach of almost zero due process to defendants, and simply shoot them after a cursory trial....

And on a related theme, there is little or no evidence that the death penalty deters crime.