Is it really that bad??
Feb 1st 2008, 1:55 am
#151
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Re: Is it really that bad??
Ah, ok, yes I understand where you're coming from now. That is the very annoying "one-eyed" kiwiness which I find irritating. Yes, that happens all the time. Usually uttered by kiwis who haven't been anywhere else, lol.
Feb 1st 2008, 1:58 am
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Feb 1st 2008, 1:59 am
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Ok, I agree with that. I think this issue prolly goes deeper than just a dismissive attitude. I think NZ is really striving to be independant in doing things their "own way" like a sort of rebellious break with its colonial past.
There are upsides and downsides to that, of course.....
Feb 1st 2008, 2:01 am
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I don't agree with that assessment. There are a lot of things here that the Brits could learn from. It's Britain that's on the decline not NZ. And if all one wants is a mini-Britain then go back. But the real point is, people are leaving Britain exactly because it sucks over there. So accepting that NZ is getting some things "right" is exactly the reason why most of us stay or want to come.
Why should any potential immigrant choose NZ over any other country in the world?
Feb 1st 2008, 2:01 am
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But hang on, I was responding to a post which was suggesting that we should be allowed to IMPOSE OUR WAY of doing things on a country where we are the immigrants. This is NZ. It's not Britain or anywhere else. Of course we bring our culture and our way of doing things but to expect to impose that on a society where we are integrating into is exactly why Britain is in the turmoil it's currently in. Britain has turned in to a place where the immigrants are insisting on THEIR WAY in a country which is not theirs to the detriment of the native Britains.
It's not good to have the pendulum swung too far in either direction. I agree that there are many things here which need improvement but there are also some things here which are ahead of Britain.
It's not good to have the pendulum swung too far in either direction. I agree that there are many things here which need improvement but there are also some things here which are ahead of Britain.
I'm not of the opinion that the UK has gone to the dogs, but there are problems, true!
I was responding to this hardline post of yours:
I don't believe that migrants are brought in to introduce "whatever" way of doing something. They are brought in to enhance the workforce with their skill not to change the infrastructure. So with respect, if something is "not how its done in NZ" then that's the way it is.
Feb 1st 2008, 2:02 am
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You must have had a terrible time in NZ!
Feb 1st 2008, 2:07 am
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But others have given it different slant...
lardyl said:
Most clear thinking people with enough self-confidence to accept criticism and change can cope with an outsider coming in and suggesting this or that be changed and have the ability to take on board what is useful and put aside that which is not - but it seems that many in NZ are unable or unwilling to do any of that and simply reply with "that's how we do it here"
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Feb 1st 2008, 2:11 am
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Why does anyone go anywhere? If one wants a more relaxed pace of life they wouldn't be going to NY, would they?
It depends what people are looking for and what they want out of life (or what they want to put into it). But NZ is just as viable an immigration destination as anywhere else, imo. I believe NZ offers a good standard of living, prolly not the highest in the world, but certainly not the worst.
Feb 1st 2008, 2:16 am
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I was responding to this hardline post of yours:
that I disagree with. Immigrants aren't (and shouldn't be) asked to leave their intellect, culture and experience at the border- enhancing the workforce will result in change- how can it not? Perhaps I've misunderstood you- sorry!
that I disagree with. Immigrants aren't (and shouldn't be) asked to leave their intellect, culture and experience at the border- enhancing the workforce will result in change- how can it not? Perhaps I've misunderstood you- sorry!
The reason you prolly felt I was being "hardline" is because I felt like I was having to respond to something hardlined, even extreme.
I never suggested that immigrants be asked to leave their intellect, culture, and experience at the border. I'm simply making the statement that an outside attitude which believes it has the "right" to impose its own way on a country it is supposed to be integrating into is taking liberties and is hardlined itself.
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Feb 1st 2008, 2:17 am
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I'm sure there are other reasons. Maybe someone saw a broadcast of a cricket match in Queenstown and was so blown away by the setting that they decided whatever the cost, it'd be good value to live in such a beautiful place. There are those that are not price sensitive and can afford to live anywhere and for whatever reason New Zealand is a place they find contentment.
Feb 1st 2008, 2:31 am
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Plenty of things, particularly the balance between work and life. Tourism. The environment. Art. The indigenous culture is interesting and promoted (albeit there are problems but not as marked as some other indigenous peoples have suffered). Tertiary education is affordable and accessible. Starting a business is encouraged and supported.
The weather is great, the people are (generally) pleasant and easy going (when they aren't being "one-eyed," lol). The lifestyle is relaxed and conducive to enjoying life rather than having to battle ones way through monotony......
Feb 1st 2008, 2:40 am
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LOL! The "group hug approach." That's classic.
