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question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit

Old Jan 21st 2019, 8:43 am
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Originally Posted by dfjordan View Post



The first referendum was binding. It was simple... do you want to leave or remain?..... not do you want to leave or remain under circumstances to be agreed later.

The first referendum was 'advisory only' and NOT binding
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Old Jan 21st 2019, 7:00 pm
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The first referendum was binding. It was simple... do you want to leave or remain?..... not do you want to leave or remain under circumstances to be agreed later.
Referendums in the UK are not legally binding, so could of easily been ignored.
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Old Jan 21st 2019, 7:04 pm
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Most people didn't think them to be lies at the time which is why they voted the way they did, as more people wake up to this fact they are more likely to become disheartened by the direction the UK is headed. It's not a nice thing when someone becomes so disheartened they feel they are better off migrating. I wonder if migration here from the UK will swell considerably and i'd be keen to see how the NZ government reacts to it if it did
Really not an excuse, it was an easy 5 minute research to disprove many of what was being said at the time.
NZ has already acted by putting in place salary restricted visas allowing only temp visa's, higher points threshold and must have job offer for a more permanent visa.
The need for visitor visas come into play this year also
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And I was hoping to hear from them, but never mind.
Tweaking the title may help perhaps. Those that are brexit weary may avoid the thread because of the title.

Originally Posted by paddy234 View Post
I wonder if migration here from the UK will swell considerably and i'd be keen to see how the NZ government reacts to it if it did
Doesn't work quite like that. Interest from the UK/Europe may swell but the immigrant numbers that NZ wishes to accept will remain pegged at whatever level is considered correct for the country and its employers. It will only still consider those people that it feels it needs .
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OK I'll bite. Although we aren't 100% thinking of leaving the UK due to Brexit, we did decide to come back the the UK from Australia (I was there on a Kiwi spouse visa) in part because of the freedoms and opportunities offered by free movement within the EU. The Brexit situation is part of a larger group of reasons we are considering a move to NZ. So first off, we feel like we've had something important to us taken away from both ourselves and our children for their future.

The way things are progressing makes us feel that the UK may not do too well in the next few years. Businesses are closing, and that bloke that owns sports direct is buying half the high street - blerch!! Our children are in a wonderful school, yet it is utterly run down and under maintained thanks to austerity. We fear this will worsen if Brexit goes badly wrong. Although we did not vote for Brexit, if the government had managed the process in an efficient and unified manner we would have felt reassured. Plenty of countries exist outside the EU. As things stand, we've had a very long period of uncertainty and worry about what is going to happen.

The divisions created by this process make us feel really sad. Will the UK ever be the same again? My husband and I both run businesses. Would we do better running them in New Zealand? In my husbands case, 100% yes. The issues with the exchange rates has really affected him, so our running costs have gone up with higher import prices and the squeeze on what people are prepared to pay for things over here. We've looked at the margins in NZ, be quite a bit more in it for him there.

Hostile environment - talk about feeling unwelcome. With an "immigrant" husband, and reading of all the people being treated so dreadfully by the Home Office it affects my patriotism. This makes me feel maybe I should go adopt another flag.

It'd take more than just Brexit to leave the UK for us. An international move is a huge huge undertaking. However, the above is an overview of how Brexit makes us feel as people who do have the option to come to NZ and live. So I hope it helps answer the original question!!
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OK I'll bite. Although we aren't 100% thinking of leaving the UK due to Brexit, we did decide to come back the the UK from Australia (I was there on a Kiwi spouse visa) in part because of the freedoms and opportunities offered by free movement within the EU. The Brexit situation is part of a larger group of reasons we are considering a move to NZ. So first off, we feel like we've had something important to us taken away from both ourselves and our children for their future.

The way things are progressing makes us feel that the UK may not do too well in the next few years. Businesses are closing, and that bloke that owns sports direct is buying half the high street - blerch!! Our children are in a wonderful school, yet it is utterly run down and under maintained thanks to austerity. We fear this will worsen if Brexit goes badly wrong. Although we did not vote for Brexit, if the government had managed the process in an efficient and unified manner we would have felt reassured. Plenty of countries exist outside the EU. As things stand, we've had a very long period of uncertainty and worry about what is going to happen.

The divisions created by this process make us feel really sad. Will the UK ever be the same again? My husband and I both run businesses. Would we do better running them in New Zealand? In my husbands case, 100% yes. The issues with the exchange rates has really affected him, so our running costs have gone up with higher import prices and the squeeze on what people are prepared to pay for things over here. We've looked at the margins in NZ, be quite a bit more in it for him there.

Hostile environment - talk about feeling unwelcome. With an "immigrant" husband, and reading of all the people being treated so dreadfully by the Home Office it affects my patriotism. This makes me feel maybe I should go adopt another flag.

It'd take more than just Brexit to leave the UK for us. An international move is a huge huge undertaking. However, the above is an overview of how Brexit makes us feel as people who do have the option to come to NZ and live. So I hope it helps answer the original question!!
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Great post.
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Great post.
Thanks Bevs, I found writing that quite therapeutic!
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There are some of us who put in an EOI significantly before the Brexit vote and are still waiting for Parent Category to open up again.

One reason we applied was because we thought the UK was going down hill, and nothing so far has changed our minds. We didn't anticipate Brexit becoming a thing.

There is still no real idea of what is going to happen, if it is going to happen, when it is going to happen, and what we can do about it if anything.

This certainly makes NZ look more attractive despite your current terrifying heat wave.

I would think that most of the UK population who want to get out from under will probably opt for somewhere in continental Europe with a sympathetic government. Who knows, Brexit may all just be a plan to force emigration by UK Seniors to balance the books and move them to where the cheap carers used to come from before they decided they weren't appreciated any more.
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No one is saying there will be zero emigration after brexit, just that it will be skilled/controlled. I'm certain nhs staff, builders, fruit pickers etc etc will be on the list - just like nz has got, controlled emigration not mass emigration. It should hopefully bring UK closer to the commonwealth/nz and you never know, it might even help get you over the line with your goal in the future.
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"The first referendum was binding. ..."

NO! it was not , it was a a pre-legislative advisory referendum. But I take it you are pro exit, and facts can be a little bit difficult for you.... ;]
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In response to the question; Yes we are totally moving due to 'Exit. We would not even have considered moving house if it were not for 'exit.

After the vote,we started looking for jobs in Europe and Ireland, but came across on in NZ, that fitted, If you got to get a visa every time you go abroad might as well make it worthwhile...
Our current house was meant to be our last. But since the result of the pre-legislative advisory referendum, was taken as being “the will of the people”. We have felt that the United Kingdom was no longer home. The rise of the agenda of the (far} right, even among those who call themselves socialists, is appalling, random people shouting racist remarks at others while crossing the road, and much much worse, makes me feel like we are back in the 1970/80s .

I have spoken to many about their reasons for voting leave, and they are many , but very few have anything to do with Europe !

I have lived in three of the UKs countries, my wife in four, and it has changed so much since that needless vote. No longer united , but always us and them . For and against, haves and have nots, metropolitan elites verses the rest … etc etc..
I was not in favour of the ref in the first place as I had seen what it had done to Scotland, dividing friends and breaking families Binary votes destroy lives. And the should not be used for such vast complex decisions.

….yet many a lie was swallowed...
The assumption of 'exiters that the removal of “freedom of movement” is one way , and just the petty vindictive arrogance of the weatherspoons little englander brigade, “we'll be alright , they need us more than we need them,” mentality.

They have selfishly ruined the future for a generation, ' just to hear a little less “foreign” spoken on the bus …', [actual quote of an 'exiter]
This is what we wish to leave behind.

I know that NZ is not all the propaganda make it out to be, I know it will be hard for our children to settle in a completely different country, but it Will be worth the risk. The Uk will sort itself out It always has, but revolutions never benefit the current generation, It will be 10 to 20 years before this {again , needless} mess, is sorted out, so the move will give our family a chance, new start away from …. all this!
Some my say “rats leaving the sinking ship”, but we weren't the ones that pointed all the cannons at the hull …

Well you Did ask! Thank you for reading.. PM
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So, you are leaving because the people on your bus don't speak English. Try taking a bus ride in Auckland.
if you think brexit is complicated wait till you try to get your head around the treaty of waitangi, you're in for a treat.
On a serious note, I hope if you make the move you find what you are looking for. My only piece of advice would be leave brexit and the woes it has caused behind.
good luck with your plans
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"So, you are leaving because the people on your bus don't speak English. Try taking a bus ride in Auckland."
No ! Completely the reverse !
We believe in diversity in internationalism and in a no borders Europe.
The town we live in is built on Europe and Europeans, NHS Hospital, International University and thriving tourist industry ,all of which will slip down the toilet thanks to ….. !!!
It is the Brexiters who want to “take THEIR country back” (to a never existed, english speaking monoculture, which was crime free and blah blah blah , 1950's past}
Unfortunately they are in control now, so until they die off we don't feel welcome in our own country, UK is no longer Home.
Also, thank you for your kind words regarding settling in NZ
Totally intend to leave "it" behind, I feel cleansed already, at least we wont have to see the vile lies on the cover of the Sun and Mail on a daily basis.

cheers, pm
back to packing ...
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