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I hope this isn't too stupid a question. We are looking at taking one of the cars (I have looked at most of the fors and against) but it a nice motor and OH loves it...Give me strength!

We are not quite in the position to get quotes yet but would love to know.....when the car goes in the container, do they put a a large shelf across the top of the car...if not would seem to be a lot of wasted space?

Does the car go in first or last?.....I'm thinking about the MAF checks on entry to NZ. I'm actually assuming that the car does go in with the household goods. I think I did read somewhere that it does. I think we could get away with a 20' container if the area above the car is utilised.

I would love to hear from anyone who did take a car.

Apologises if this question has been answered before but I can't find anything on this aspect

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hi maria,
im sure i read somewhere that some companies allow you to fill your car as well as the rest of the container. im not sure if im right on this but im sure someone will know on here.
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hi maria,
im sure i read somewhere that some companies allow you to fill your car as well as the rest of the container. im not sure if im right on this but im sure someone will know on here.
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Hi kira, Yes I have read that too, but I wondered if it could cause problems on the other side as MAF will naturally be all over it like a rash... checking its been properly steam cleaned etc
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You need to provide a certificate stating that its been steam cleaned. You need to have personally owned it for more than 12 months, otherwise you'll be charged 12.5% GST. If it is not a special car, then consider not taking it: cars are very cheap over there and they do not salt the roads, so they last for ever.

We are taking ours, though it's a BMW diesel, and they are the one brand that are not cheap.

Also if it doesn't even meet their road worthiness (e.g. modified in any way) they do send them back on ships to where they came from without allowing them in at all at your expense... slight problem!

We are also waiting to see if ours will go in a container. We are also taking one motorcycle and that is def going in the container.

From our removers, if it helps, but you might know all this sorry

Automobiles/Motorbikes:
Standards of Motor Vehicles:
It is extremely important not to ship vehicles without first obtaining confirmation of compliance. Contact Land Transport Safety Authority helpdesk on: Phone:0064 4 494 8600 Fax: 0064 4 494 8601, email: [email protected] or visit the website http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/importing
Motor vehicles being imported into New Zealand must comply with specific Land Transport Safety Standards regulations. Detailed information is available from Land Transport Authority website. The most important information is available on infosheet 1.67 - Revision 6 and factsheet 44.

The most significant change is the introduction of Frontal Impact Standards & Omission Standards.
All Class MA passenger vehicles will have to comply with approved frontal impact standard in order to be certified and registered for use in New Zealand unless:
(a) the vehicle was border checked before 1 February 2002; or
(b) the vehicle was first registered outside New Zealand 20 years or more prior to being certified for entry into service in New Zealand.
In particular, this means that no more Japanese passenger cars manufactured before frontal impact standards were introduced between 1944 and 1996 can be added to the New Zealand fleet after 1 April 2002.

Vehicle Certification Processes
All motor vehicles imported into New Zealand, new or used, must be certified by vehicle certifiers appointed by the LTSA. This ensures they comply with New Zealand legal requirements before they can be registered for use on public roads. These certifiers are known as Transport Service Delivery Agents (TSD agents) and more details are given about them in Factsheet 44.
Depending on the vehicle class and the vehicle's date of manufacture and/or date of first registration, a number of components and systems are required to meet approved standards. It is the responsibility of the importer to supply evidence of a vehicle's compliance with New Zealand legal requirements. In most cases, the standards approved under New Zealand transport legislation are drawn from:

Australian Design Rules (ADR)
Regulations of the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UN/ECE)
Directives of the European Union (European Communities, European Economic Community) (EU/EC/EEC)
US Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS)
Standards published in Circulars of the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport (MLIT) and Japanese Industrial Standards (JIS)
The purpose of certification is to establish that a vehicle was manufactured to meet the relevant approved standards and that the vehicle remains within safe tolerance of its state when manufactured. Certification requires the identification of the vehicle and the sighting of documentation to prove its original compliance with approved standards. TSD) A agents must be satisfied with any documentation provided for certification and may request confirmation or additional information.
The certification process also consists of a physical inspection of a vehicle to ensure that the vehicle has not been modified; that replaceable components are still original equipment or, if replaced, comply with approved standards; and that the vehicle and its components and systems remain within safe tolerance of their state when manufactured.
In relation to Omission Standards, if the vehicle does not meet N.Z. Standards, they cannot be modified on arrival. They would have to be shipped back to origin country. Accordingly it is most important that transferees are advised of this and check with their vehicle complying before shipping.

Concessions:
Concessions maybe allowed for motor vehicles, including motor cycles and motor scooters to be imported free of duty and GST and exempt Import Licence. It is possible for more than one vehicle to qualify under this concession. Clients may have to attend New Zealand Customs for a personal interview of up to two hours duration. They must have all documentation relating to motor vehicles (i.e. passport, proof of legal title, proof of standards compliance, purchase agreement and other documents that prove the date and price paid for the vehicle). DO NOT PACK THESE DOCUMENTS IN THE SHIPMENT OR VEHICLE).
They must also be able to prove the landed value of the vehicle in New Zealand (i.e. vehicle purchase price plus costs of freight and insurance up to the point that the vehicle arrives in New Zealand). The vehicle owner will also be required to sign a Deed of Undertaking agreeing not to sell or otherwise dispose of the vehicle and to pay the duty and sales tax that would normally be due if they do sell or dispose of the vehicle.

Immigrants:
To qualify for this concession immigrants must comply with the following in addition to the above requirements:
They must be coming to New Zealand for the first time to take up permanent residence (i.e. never lived in New Zealand).
They must have personally owned and used the vehicle for at least one year prior to the date of their departure for New Zealand or the actual shipping date, whichever is the earlier. They must be importing the vehicle for their own use and not for sale, gift or disposal in any other way

Returning New Zealanders:
Returning New Zealanders do qualify for the above concession however they must have lived outside New Zealand for more than 21 months and owned the vehicle for more than 12 months (see New Zealand Customs Fact Sheet attached). If the shipper does not met these concessions then normal duty and taxes will be payable.


Steam Cleaning:
Under Quarantine requirements, all used vehicles entering New Zealand must be steam cleaned. This particularly applies to the undercarriages, wheels and wheel arches of the vehicles. Vehicles must be steam cleaned immediately prior to departure and a certificate of steam cleaning included with shipping documents and sent to Crown Relocations. If steam cleaning certificates are not supplied with shipping documents the vehicle will be inspected on wharf resulting in substantial additional costs for waterfront devanning of the container. Quarantine officials may still order the vehicle to be re-steam cleaned at the owners expense even when the vehicle has been steam cleaned at origin. It is therefore very important for steam cleaning to be done thoroughly.

Left Hand Drive Vehicles:
Under the Customs Import Prohibition Order (No.2) the importation of left hand drive vehicles is restricted. Before shipping a left hand drive vehicle to New Zealand written approval must be obtained from the Land Transport Safety Authority, PO Box 27459, Wellington. Tel: (64 4) 4948600 or Fax: (64 4) 4948601. Failure to obtain prior approval could result in the vehicle being confiscated or compulsorily re-exported at the owners cost.
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Hi,

We've just had quotes from pickfords and PSS, yes the car does go in the container, but both said that we couldn't put anything in the car...again I also think a lot of wasted space especially as ours is an estate
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Originally Posted by Jan n Neil
You need to provide a certificate stating that its been steam cleaned. You need to have personally owned it for more than 12 months, otherwise you'll be charged 12.5% GST. If it is not a special car, then consider not taking it: cars are very cheap over there and they do not salt the roads, so they last for ever.

We are taking ours, though it's a BMW diesel, and they are the one brand that are not cheap.

Also if it doesn't even meet their road worthiness (e.g. modified in any way) they do send them back on ships to where they came from without allowing them in at all at your expense... slight problem!

We are also waiting to see if ours will go in a container. We are also taking one motorcycle and that is def going in the container.

From our removers, if it helps, but you might know all this sorry

Automobiles/Motorbikes:
Standards of Motor Vehicles:
It is extremely important not to ship vehicles without first obtaining confirmation of compliance. Contact Land Transport Safety Authority helpdesk on: Phone:0064 4 494 8600 Fax: 0064 4 494 8601, email: [email protected] or visit the website http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/importing
Motor vehicles being imported into New Zealand must comply with specific Land Transport Safety Standards regulations. Detailed information is available from Land Transport Authority website. The most important information is available on infosheet 1.67 - Revision 6 and factsheet 44.

The most significant change is the introduction of Frontal Impact Standards & Omission Standards.
All Class MA passenger vehicles will have to comply with approved frontal impact standard in order to be certified and registered for use in New Zealand unless:
(a) the vehicle was border checked before 1 February 2002; or
(b) the vehicle was first registered outside New Zealand 20 years or more prior to being certified for entry into service in New Zealand.
In particular, this means that no more Japanese passenger cars manufactured before frontal impact standards were introduced between 1944 and 1996 can be added to the New Zealand fleet after 1 April 2002.

Vehicle Certification Processes
All motor vehicles imported into New Zealand, new or used, must be certified by vehicle certifiers appointed by the LTSA. This ensures they comply with New Zealand legal requirements before they can be registered for use on public roads. These certifiers are known as Transport Service Delivery Agents (TSD agents) and more details are given about them in Factsheet 44.
Depending on the vehicle class and the vehicle's date of manufacture and/or date of first registration, a number of components and systems are required to meet approved standards. It is the responsibility of the importer to supply evidence of a vehicle's compliance with New Zealand legal requirements. In most cases, the standards approved under New Zealand transport legislation are drawn from:

Australian Design Rules (ADR)
Regulations of the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UN/ECE)
Directives of the European Union (European Communities, European Economic Community) (EU/EC/EEC)
US Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS)
Standards published in Circulars of the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport (MLIT) and Japanese Industrial Standards (JIS)
The purpose of certification is to establish that a vehicle was manufactured to meet the relevant approved standards and that the vehicle remains within safe tolerance of its state when manufactured. Certification requires the identification of the vehicle and the sighting of documentation to prove its original compliance with approved standards. TSD) A agents must be satisfied with any documentation provided for certification and may request confirmation or additional information.
The certification process also consists of a physical inspection of a vehicle to ensure that the vehicle has not been modified; that replaceable components are still original equipment or, if replaced, comply with approved standards; and that the vehicle and its components and systems remain within safe tolerance of their state when manufactured.
In relation to Omission Standards, if the vehicle does not meet N.Z. Standards, they cannot be modified on arrival. They would have to be shipped back to origin country. Accordingly it is most important that transferees are advised of this and check with their vehicle complying before shipping.

Concessions:
Concessions maybe allowed for motor vehicles, including motor cycles and motor scooters to be imported free of duty and GST and exempt Import Licence. It is possible for more than one vehicle to qualify under this concession. Clients may have to attend New Zealand Customs for a personal interview of up to two hours duration. They must have all documentation relating to motor vehicles (i.e. passport, proof of legal title, proof of standards compliance, purchase agreement and other documents that prove the date and price paid for the vehicle). DO NOT PACK THESE DOCUMENTS IN THE SHIPMENT OR VEHICLE).
They must also be able to prove the landed value of the vehicle in New Zealand (i.e. vehicle purchase price plus costs of freight and insurance up to the point that the vehicle arrives in New Zealand). The vehicle owner will also be required to sign a Deed of Undertaking agreeing not to sell or otherwise dispose of the vehicle and to pay the duty and sales tax that would normally be due if they do sell or dispose of the vehicle.

Immigrants:
To qualify for this concession immigrants must comply with the following in addition to the above requirements:
They must be coming to New Zealand for the first time to take up permanent residence (i.e. never lived in New Zealand).
They must have personally owned and used the vehicle for at least one year prior to the date of their departure for New Zealand or the actual shipping date, whichever is the earlier. They must be importing the vehicle for their own use and not for sale, gift or disposal in any other way

Returning New Zealanders:
Returning New Zealanders do qualify for the above concession however they must have lived outside New Zealand for more than 21 months and owned the vehicle for more than 12 months (see New Zealand Customs Fact Sheet attached). If the shipper does not met these concessions then normal duty and taxes will be payable.


Steam Cleaning:
Under Quarantine requirements, all used vehicles entering New Zealand must be steam cleaned. This particularly applies to the undercarriages, wheels and wheel arches of the vehicles. Vehicles must be steam cleaned immediately prior to departure and a certificate of steam cleaning included with shipping documents and sent to Crown Relocations. If steam cleaning certificates are not supplied with shipping documents the vehicle will be inspected on wharf resulting in substantial additional costs for waterfront devanning of the container. Quarantine officials may still order the vehicle to be re-steam cleaned at the owners expense even when the vehicle has been steam cleaned at origin. It is therefore very important for steam cleaning to be done thoroughly.

Left Hand Drive Vehicles:
Under the Customs Import Prohibition Order (No.2) the importation of left hand drive vehicles is restricted. Before shipping a left hand drive vehicle to New Zealand written approval must be obtained from the Land Transport Safety Authority, PO Box 27459, Wellington. Tel: (64 4) 4948600 or Fax: (64 4) 4948601. Failure to obtain prior approval could result in the vehicle being confiscated or compulsorily re-exported at the owners cost.
We are taking ours, though it's a BMW diesel, and they are the one brand that are not cheap.

BMW are pretty reasonable here, you can pick up a decent bargain as long as your not looking for M3 or M5, I got a 330ci 2002 for a good price here so no complaints
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Hi

We came out from the UK last year and brought our car with us - all the advice was don't bother but I did anyway (sounds like numptyheads OH and I have something in common). On reflection, financially, would not do the same again, but I like the car so no major regrets. From our experience I would suggest / comment:

- Car is usually packed last as MAF will want to take a look at it and its easily accessible that way.

- You are not allowed to pack stuff inside the car.

- Unless the rules have changed you don't need a steam clean certificate (that is used by some importers who have a proven track record with MAF and bring cars over in bulk from Japan) - I can guarantee MAF will want to look at yours regardless of what documents you provide!

- Get the car valeted just prior to loading making sure no mud on wheels / in arches, no leaves in air vents , that sort of stuff - if MAF find any organic matter you will be in for a big cleaning bill.

- You will need to provide evidence the car complies with safety / emissions laws - if you can get certification from the manufacturer/ importer in the UK and bring it with you it is cheaper / quicker that the AA getting it for you from NZ. (Our car is a Saab and I not an NZ Cert of Compliance from Saab GB). Particularly important for diesel cars as the laws changed last year and got stricter - alanmacc if your BMW is fairly new you shouldn't have any problems - think its Euro 4 required at the moment.

- Unless just bringing the car and a few personal effects I reckon you are looking at a 40 ft container - we filled one - if you get a 40ft would suggest you view it as if you were moving within the UK bring everything - you can always offload unwanted bits on Trade Me and some stuff is expensive here i.e. white goods.

- Suggest you get your removal co's agent in NZ to clear the car through customs on your behalf (they can do it even if they say they can't and you have to go to the port) and get the AA or whoever you are getting to do the certifying to pick it up for you and take it for testing. We used the AA in Auckland, Chap called Wally Gee was brill - [email protected]

- Remember you have to own the car in NZ for 2 years - if you sell it on before this you have to pay the 12.5% GST that was waived when you imported it.

- Spares will be mor expensive if it is a European make - and take longer to get hold of.

Bottom line is your OH 'REALLY' likes the car go for it otherwise sell up and buy a good low mileage Jap import when you get here.

Any other Q's let me know and will try to help.
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Originally Posted by anniiee
Hi,

We've just had quotes from pickfords and PSS, yes the car does go in the container, but both said that we couldn't put anything in the car...again I also think a lot of wasted space especially as ours is an estate
Hi you are not allowed to put any item inside the car put you can put tools inside he boot I have a client that has just taken delivery of two classici cars I will find out more information for you but I understand she did say that proof of ownership was required by Maff and also the packing company that she used (crown) the cars was placed in side the container last and a wooden frame had to be placed around to ensure no moment MAFF found SOME RUST ON ONE OF THE CARS and was not allowed HOME Till she had THE WORK DONE!!!YES AND WE HAVE SOME S..T on the roads in NZ)
By the way is so Customs can have good look at the cars first so thats the reason you are not allowed to place any items inside, plus if any soil is on the car it can contaminate items inside the car and other items in the container so please ensure it was a good wash first under the car and around the weels
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hi numptyhead,
i never thought about complications on the other side,
but reading the rest of the posts i think i was wrong on the fact you can fill yr car, sorry maria i did read it somewhere tho but cant remember where
oh well at least we all know you cant fill your car now, still think its a waste of good space tho, but hey rules are rules.
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Hi Folks

Thank you all so much for your input. I am going to try and get OH to read all this. You know, everything in my being says don't take it.

The print out from Jan n Neil's removers is frightening. Thank you so much for sharing that. I had no idea, so much was involved. I've sent a copy to OH's mailbox so he reads it. He doesn't come on here...the only forum he reads is for his beloved car. It will be interesting to see his reaction. Whats the betting he will still think its all worth it.

I want to tell you what it is...but I am way too embarrassed...it aint a BMW


Thanks again
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Although the removers email to us is very detailed the bottom line is, if you have owned it for >12 months, if its not a "special", if you have the V5, and you really, really clean it, don't put anything in it, and empty the fuel, its not too complicated really We have met loads of people who did it, both cars and bikes.

But, as our removers said to me, unless you are extremely attached to the car, it might just not be worth it....

EDIT: theres a site somewhere I have seen where you can check if it is deemed "OK" in NZ, ask if you want me to find it.
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Although the removers email to us is very detailed the bottom line is, if you have owned it for >12 months, if its not a "special", if you have the V5, and you really, really clean it, don't put anything in it, and empty the fuel, its not too complicated really We have met loads of people who did it, both cars and bikes.

But, as our removers said to me, unless you are extremely attached to the car, it might just not be worth it....

EDIT: theres a site somewhere I have seen where you can check if it is deemed "OK" in NZ, ask if you want me to find it.
Thanks for that. I have just mentioned what you said about checking if the vehicle is deemed ok and OH had already checked this out and it is okay. He has owned it > 12months and all the rest of the criteria is good too.
Thank you for your time
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Oh...believe me...he is extremely attached to it
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so yougotta tell us now, robin reliant ?,Skoda fabia ?, Trabant ?
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so yougotta tell us now, robin reliant ?,Skoda fabia ?, Trabant ?
Oh God..........its a Vauxhall Omega Elite which in NZ is the Holden Omega.
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Please don't laugh...too much...okay, have a laugh, get it out your system.

At least it better than what you listed...just
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