Potential Environmental Disaster for the BoP - Bloody foreign sailors
#46
Re: Potential Environmental Disaster for the BoP - Bloody foreign sailors
There ya go, now we're getting to the crux of the matter, some lazy arse might have to
drive an extra 15 minutes to get to the beach for a few months.
I cant believe how much crap the media are making of all this and everyone lapping it up.
Exactly who's livelihood has been lost???
In the grand scheme of things this is NOTHING but a minor inconvenience.
There's more pollution flowing into the sea from the shit all the farmers allow to
spill into the inland waterways and rivers but you cant see that so no ones
particularly bothered and god forbid some one might actually do something that
might piss off the mighty dairy industry....its the best in the world doncha know!!
drive an extra 15 minutes to get to the beach for a few months.
I cant believe how much crap the media are making of all this and everyone lapping it up.
Exactly who's livelihood has been lost???
In the grand scheme of things this is NOTHING but a minor inconvenience.
There's more pollution flowing into the sea from the shit all the farmers allow to
spill into the inland waterways and rivers but you cant see that so no ones
particularly bothered and god forbid some one might actually do something that
might piss off the mighty dairy industry....its the best in the world doncha know!!
MANY jobs in many industries are seasonal. I expect summer bookings for that area are down already as people are cautious and might just not wan to take the risk, so book elsewhere.
Same with fishing, same with all those industries that just rely on people being in a certain area in certain numbers, you know food retailing, travel, you name it.
Maybe even grouting - after all less money around from all those businesses not doing as well might lead to less bathroom renovations being carried out.
#47
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Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 30
Re: Potential Environmental Disaster for the BoP - Bloody foreign sailors
But, back on topic...This oil spill is a flippin' tragedy for all the wildlife as well as the local communities :0( Just awful.
Mrs Carpman
#48
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Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 91
Re: Potential Environmental Disaster for the BoP - Bloody foreign sailors
There ya go, now we're getting to the crux of the matter, some lazy arse might have to
drive an extra 15 minutes to get to the beach for a few months.
I cant believe how much crap the media are making of all this and everyone lapping it up.
Exactly who's livelihood has been lost???
In the grand scheme of things this is NOTHING but a minor inconvenience.
There's more pollution flowing into the sea from the shit all the farmers allow to
spill into the inland waterways and rivers but you cant see that so no ones
particularly bothered and god forbid some one might actually do something that
might piss off the mighty dairy industry....its the best in the world doncha know!!
drive an extra 15 minutes to get to the beach for a few months.
I cant believe how much crap the media are making of all this and everyone lapping it up.
Exactly who's livelihood has been lost???
In the grand scheme of things this is NOTHING but a minor inconvenience.
There's more pollution flowing into the sea from the shit all the farmers allow to
spill into the inland waterways and rivers but you cant see that so no ones
particularly bothered and god forbid some one might actually do something that
might piss off the mighty dairy industry....its the best in the world doncha know!!
I was at the meeting last night and I'm glad I went, I found it informative and I have a better understanding of why they couldn't get the oil off quickly - however, I'm still worried about the long term impact on the area and us in terms of health.
Volunteers were throwing up after cleaning up and everyone who helped clean it up in the early days got sick. That's a quote from someone who was interviewed on TV so I can't post a link to a story.
When the wind changes direction the smell is very strong and we have to keep the windows closed, so are we all fine and well?? Is it just the unpleasantness of the smell we have to contend with - in which case it's no problem, or are there long term implications to breathing in the fumes over a longer period of time.
Business is suffering already with bookings down and tourists cancelling. Lots of small operations have just been keeping body and soul together through the recession and winter - this is the make or break season for many of them.
The boats can't get into the water, so the charters are losing thousands a week, whilst still paying their overheads. Lots of them are small operations so when the money runs out the staff will have to go. The commercial fishermen are losing 10s of thousands a week. There are the retail outlets relying on surf/fishing etc
This is an expensive place to live, but don't confuse that with places like Auckland where the wages are high. 80 % of our friends here are kiwis, and just normal working people, and it's not called $10 Tauranga for nothing. We can't afford for our local economy to take a hit like this. We already pay high rates, building consents etc. We need the money to flow in from the tourists and weekenders.
For those of us robbing peter to pay paul, the ocean was a pretty cool way of topping up the larder. We were heading into snapper season in a few months - with the high cost of living locally and the low wages here - you shouldn't under estimate how much a lot of families rely on the sea food to supplement the larder.
#49
Re: Potential Environmental Disaster for the BoP - Bloody foreign sailors
Thank you old dragon, my sentiments and thoughts too.
It would be ridiculous to suggest this won't have a financial impact on the region in terms of lost revenue. What do you think people come flocking to the area for? The beach perhaps? The surf? So surf shops, surf schools, kite surfing schools, paddle board, kayak and dinghy hire, charter boats, dolphin watching, diving schools - none will suffer? Beach cafes and restaurants adjacent to the oil smeared beach (which the public are banned from and are awash with crap oh and smell toxic) will not be effected? Families of fishermen and trawlers, assuming they could get their boats out without having oil stuck to them, will find containers bobbing around in the ocean and dead carcasses, any fish? Doubtful. But yes, bound to all be ok in a couple of months ...
It would be ridiculous to suggest this won't have a financial impact on the region in terms of lost revenue. What do you think people come flocking to the area for? The beach perhaps? The surf? So surf shops, surf schools, kite surfing schools, paddle board, kayak and dinghy hire, charter boats, dolphin watching, diving schools - none will suffer? Beach cafes and restaurants adjacent to the oil smeared beach (which the public are banned from and are awash with crap oh and smell toxic) will not be effected? Families of fishermen and trawlers, assuming they could get their boats out without having oil stuck to them, will find containers bobbing around in the ocean and dead carcasses, any fish? Doubtful. But yes, bound to all be ok in a couple of months ...
#50
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Joined: Dec 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC
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Re: Potential Environmental Disaster for the BoP - Bloody foreign sailors
It's understandable that if you don't live here, the saturation on TV and in the papers might be getting on your nerves - but it's so much more than playing on the beach.
I was at the meeting last night and I'm glad I went, I found it informative and I have a better understanding of why they couldn't get the oil off quickly - however, I'm still worried about the long term impact on the area and us in terms of health.
Volunteers were throwing up after cleaning up and everyone who helped clean it up in the early days got sick. That's a quote from someone who was interviewed on TV so I can't post a link to a story.
When the wind changes direction the smell is very strong and we have to keep the windows closed, so are we all fine and well?? Is it just the unpleasantness of the smell we have to contend with - in which case it's no problem, or are there long term implications to breathing in the fumes over a longer period of time.Business is suffering already with bookings down and tourists cancelling. Lots of small operations have just been keeping body and soul together through the recession and winter - this is the make or break season for many of them.
The boats can't get into the water, so the charters are losing thousands a week, whilst still paying their overheads. Lots of them are small operations so when the money runs out the staff will have to go. The commercial fishermen are losing 10s of thousands a week. There are the retail outlets relying on surf/fishing etc
This is an expensive place to live, but don't confuse that with places like Auckland where the wages are high. 80 % of our friends here are kiwis, and just normal working people, and it's not called $10 Tauranga for nothing. We can't afford for our local economy to take a hit like this. We already pay high rates, building consents etc. We need the money to flow in from the tourists and weekenders.
For those of us robbing peter to pay paul, the ocean was a pretty cool way of topping up the larder. We were heading into snapper season in a few months - with the high cost of living locally and the low wages here - you shouldn't under estimate how much a lot of families rely on the sea food to supplement the larder.
I was at the meeting last night and I'm glad I went, I found it informative and I have a better understanding of why they couldn't get the oil off quickly - however, I'm still worried about the long term impact on the area and us in terms of health.
Volunteers were throwing up after cleaning up and everyone who helped clean it up in the early days got sick. That's a quote from someone who was interviewed on TV so I can't post a link to a story.
When the wind changes direction the smell is very strong and we have to keep the windows closed, so are we all fine and well?? Is it just the unpleasantness of the smell we have to contend with - in which case it's no problem, or are there long term implications to breathing in the fumes over a longer period of time.Business is suffering already with bookings down and tourists cancelling. Lots of small operations have just been keeping body and soul together through the recession and winter - this is the make or break season for many of them.
The boats can't get into the water, so the charters are losing thousands a week, whilst still paying their overheads. Lots of them are small operations so when the money runs out the staff will have to go. The commercial fishermen are losing 10s of thousands a week. There are the retail outlets relying on surf/fishing etc
This is an expensive place to live, but don't confuse that with places like Auckland where the wages are high. 80 % of our friends here are kiwis, and just normal working people, and it's not called $10 Tauranga for nothing. We can't afford for our local economy to take a hit like this. We already pay high rates, building consents etc. We need the money to flow in from the tourists and weekenders.
For those of us robbing peter to pay paul, the ocean was a pretty cool way of topping up the larder. We were heading into snapper season in a few months - with the high cost of living locally and the low wages here - you shouldn't under estimate how much a lot of families rely on the sea food to supplement the larder.
Just dropping in here ...a contractor ruptured an oil pipeline in my neighbourhood a few years ago, causing oil to spill all over the homes etc of the neighbourhood and into the Burrard Inlet. What Old Dragon is saying is true - the smell was very strong and it's still not known what the full health effects on the people that lived there will be. They couldn't live in their homes for months. Luckily we lived up the hill from it but you could still smell it from that far away - it was so strong.
This disaster has been quite prominent in the news here - unusually for a story about NZ. It will definitely effect people's perceptions of NZ as a destination. Just saying.
#51
Re: Potential Environmental Disaster for the BoP - Bloody foreign sailors
I wouldn’t be surprised if the volatile components are bad for you, especially prolonged exposure. That’s why those people who spray the road with tar are forever getting cancer because they are exposed to aerosolized carcinogens for long periods.
They don’t tell the people doing the work this, obviously or they would demand better protective equipment and more pay.
They don’t tell the people doing the work this, obviously or they would demand better protective equipment and more pay.
#52
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Re: Potential Environmental Disaster for the BoP - Bloody foreign sailors
God, is wish it was on your door step. Your 'I'm alright attitude' beggars belief!! You are all heart eh?? May I suggest you roll up to the area Col and suggest to those affected 'it's but a minor inconvenience' and see how you get on??? What a stupid/heartless thing to say. Any way I trust you are all dandy, oil free and your business is doing well?
#53
Re: Potential Environmental Disaster for the BoP - Bloody foreign sailors
We will, it's OK though because the company responsible are "deeply sorry", not deeply enough however to offer to pay for cleaning up their own mess .
Pity the inadequacies of our environmental law and preparations had to be highlighted six weeks before an election. Especially considering what is happening regarding costal oil drilling.
Pity the inadequacies of our environmental law and preparations had to be highlighted six weeks before an election. Especially considering what is happening regarding costal oil drilling.
So...where do we send the bill? Will it be you the taxpayer or will it be the people profiting from cheap shipping?
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#57
Re: Potential Environmental Disaster for the BoP - Bloody foreign sailors
If shipping costs more through more expensive crews, different fuels etc etc then the users of the shipping pay, i.e. New Zealanders as NZ is very reliant on sea-borne imports.
#58
Re: Potential Environmental Disaster for the BoP - Bloody foreign sailors
Anyone convicted under the act of discharging harmful substances from a ship can be sentenced to up to two years in prison or be fined a maximum $300,000.
Any entity convicted could face a maximum fine of $600,000.
Any entity convicted could face a maximum fine of $600,000.
#59
Re: Potential Environmental Disaster for the BoP - Bloody foreign sailors
That fine is to act as a deterrence against bad practice and small-scale spills in normal ship operations, it clearly isn't intended to deter captains from running onto a reef at full speed, nor is it intended to cover the clean-up costs, there are mandatory insurance requirements for that, the line in this case are being quoted as having $1B USB pollution clean-up cover.
Hopefully that will cover the $ cost of cleaning up, although if a rare bird species is wiped out nothing can replace that.
I expect the criminal charges may dissuade future captains from whatever sloppy practice allowed the ship to run aground in the first place.
Hopefully that will cover the $ cost of cleaning up, although if a rare bird species is wiped out nothing can replace that.
I expect the criminal charges may dissuade future captains from whatever sloppy practice allowed the ship to run aground in the first place.