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http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entert...a-waititi.html

I for one do not agree with Duncan Garner on this, basically saying that as Taika was NZ of the year he has to say nothing but nice things about NZ and as for the co hosts stating that every country has issues, thats all well and good but NZ is promoted world wide as a clean green country and Taika is pointing out it's really not.

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Despite legislation, the UK remains much the same. I routinely hear racist labels and racist remarks. I live in a part of the UK where "White Flight" is a marked feature of life.

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The point that was missed or ignored by media was the fact that he said he thought it was the best place on earth but it was not clean and green as portrayed to the rest of the world, he did not say it didn't happen elsewhere.

Think Garner has a personal thing against him

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I have not read Garner's article so won't comment on that part.

There is another article on the Stuff website that supported asking questions on the topic. https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainmen...a-racist-place

I, for one, have come to the conclusion that there is no point offering any criticism or suggestions for improvement to the New Zealanders. They* don't want to hear it.


*Not all of them obviously. There are some open-minded ones - now living overseas in my experience.

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Hence the backlash that Taika will now get from the majority of NZers. Did you see the "Help racism" video spoof he made before? I see that's now getting a bit more attention too. He's a smart cookie, not that that will endear him to the rugby-adoring, child-beating proles of NZ.

I've found that the only sensible kiwis are ones who have spent time overseas (like doing an OE at least). If you have to rub shoulders with the ones who've hardly stepped foot off the shores, they can be very very parochial.

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I don't particularly like the bloke but he is right on many levels.

Too true, they like to sit on the sideline and mock everyone else and are bitter about other folks who do well or get out.

I am ever more shocked and amazed every single day at work that people get away with total ignorance and can't be bothered to even try to pronounce people's names and places correctly. Most of the times they'll say Maori words in a jokey kind of way, knowing that what they're saying is wrong and oftentimes are blatantly disrespectful of 'culture', just to save face with their mates in case it makes them look a bit PC (aka soft).

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I think that the younger kiwis might turn out OK, this piece of satire offers us all some hope.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/09-04...e8ef-506959573

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Another radio presenter struggling with relevancy and so trying to stir controversy every couple of weeks to generate some listeners? He should just admit that streaming media is better in almost every way that matters to consumers.

My New Zealander of the year was the Hector’s dolphin. Humans aren’t endemic at all and shouldn’t even be eligible :sneaky:.

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and Maui. :nod:

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The whole planet is in the grip of a nationalistic resurgence because the internet has created an increased awareness of global f**k ups and failings. As humans we need to blame someone for all our problems, and its easier to blame someone who "isnt from round here", or looks, sounds, acts or prays to a different imaginary friend than the majority.

Like it or not, when backed into a corner we've all got the ability to be a racist b*****d in us and having a maori / chinese / black friend doesnt excuse anyone

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New Zealand is a colonised outpost of a dying Empire which was built on indigenous backs. It was also built with the help of Asian and Poly peoples and the working class of the commonwealth. A melting pot of different socio-economic/class backgrounds, with different religions and social mores and when you add in that you're isolated at the bottom of the world for a long time - it gets a bit insular and things get magnified. Add in RW governmental policy that squishes everyone, challenging your place in the world and if you don't have much to start with, it's really easy to start blaming the lowest hanging fruit which tends to be race based in NZ. I happen to agree with Taika and like his work.

It's also happening in the UK at the moment as well the last five years it's got worse and worse, and I'm a saying that as a white woman who "blends". Brexit is a bit of a mare to be honest and has given the drop kicks licence to come out of the woodwork and vent their particular brand of nastiness.

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Some of the comments in this thread are a bit rich considering one of the contributors have previously said they wouldnt touch Sth Auckland with a barge pole and also the recent mocking of Huntly. I think youll find most kiwis comparatively tolerant of other races, as surveys of migrants consistently prove. And as my own partner of asian ethnicity can attest to.

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I could also be less than diplomatic about the comment re mocking of people who do well and that persons own attitude to same . I think I can build an analogy using glasshouses and stones somehow.

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Go on then, I'll bite, off you go...

When I read about the people who are moving in and trying to gentrify south Auckland. I think I would now need a longer pole, and I'd still lock the doors and wind up the car windows if driving through Huntly.

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The most racist people I have met in NZ have been other expats. Which is wonderfully ironic considering they themselves are immigrants.

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Many leave the UK for racist reasons, they just won't admit to it.

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Im not sure you ever said anything about a barge pole in relation to Sth Auckland Col.

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I see this situation in so much online platforms, and a few TV shows, think Hoskings and his outdated chauvinist views, looks like Garner is trying to go for his crown, or as I offered earlier perhaps Garner is just gunning for Taika.

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The irony of labelling an entire people as racist has passed some posters by I see. Not all New Zealanders who live in NZ are racist. They're just not. Much like most of the UK aren't insular, your not welcome here foreigner and/or religion of choice, UKIP voting, Brexiteers. There are however, a minority of very vocal racists and there are microaggressions that arise from historical socio-economic issues that should when you see them be called out no matter the country. I know a tonne of lovely people who don't have a racist bone in their bodies, who live in NZ and the UK.

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*I also strongly believe that structural racism has been a historical issue for New Zealand and Australia and the overflow from that continues today - you can't rip tikanga and te reo and a sense of turangawaewae from a people and expect all to go well. That causes intergenerational psychic issues that we see in both countries, actually you see that in a lot of colonised countries. Colonisation has a lot to answer for.

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I've not read whatever it is .

Sometimes it is good to swap the word 'racism' for 'prejudice'.

I gather this will be about NZ, not the UK, so it will be interesting to read who owns what for New Zealand here.

Is New Zealand a nice happy place for all its people ? Regardless of where they came from originally ; their creed ; their skin tone ; their ancestors past? Or is there an undercurrent of prejudice ebbing and flowing

In other words is this an accepting country or is it conditional.

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This is the original article if anyone's interested. Rather than the article commenting on the article or the article commenting on the comments sections.

Unknown Mortal Orchestra & Taika Waititi on New Zealand culture | Dazed

Personally I don't think anywhere doesn't have racism or religious/LGBQT bigotry issues - it's more whether you see it, acknowledge it and point it out for what it is or do you let it slip on by because it's easier not to and/or whether you have a political climate that encourages/discourages people to do so. There is no perfectly harmonious society - there is way too much history for that, but what you can have is peeps taking steps towards making it an 'accepting' place.

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REALLY. . .??
Are you sure, sounds like me :rofl:

...Riiiiight !!

Racism, the most racist people I have met have been Maori. They knock spots off others with their over inflated sense of importance and entitlement

Religion, All made up to control weak willed or desperate people. Only a fool would believe in such nonsense

LGBQTDGRXYZ ???, L and G, the rest is just attention seeking. get on with your crap and stop ramming it down peoples throats

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There is some research to back up the view that Maori experience higher levels of xenophobia than other New Zealanders.

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Wow. Consider me put in my place. I am so glad you were able to school me on religion, sexuality and gender. It's fascinating how peoples own little ugly prejudices will eventually out.

Interestingly Charismatic - Taika had a tweet talking about how members of his family were just as racist as the peeps who told told him he had done good for a Maori brother. Racism and prejudices are complex and there are many reasons for it and just because you are BAME doesn't mean you wont be conditioned to be prejudiced either - it's just more likely that they'll be the target of structural racism than white people.

Any who I am done with this thread.

Peace.

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don't think its fair to say own prejudice to Justcol as he did state it was his own experience so based on fact rather than any preconceived opinion or action, prejudice = preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

I know the title says racist, the point I was commenting on was not that but rather the the need to shout anyone down that has negative comments about their own country, as you pointed out Taika even says members of his family are, should he not be allowed to say that either? are we now not allowed or should be shot down and put in a corner for speaking out about our negative experiences, this, to me, seems what Garner is trying to do to Taika.

Wouldn't Garner of been wiser to of said he was ashamed for the experience that Taika had and those things need to be addressed and then given his reasons for being proud to be a NZ'er, rather than just slagging Taika off.

To get change we need to engage and discuss openly and not shout down the more grim side of living, surely?

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But New Zealand is paradise isn't it? So it doesn't have to change.

Anyone that suggests otherwise will be shouted down - as I am sure Taika fully expected.

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Yes, it's quite fun to see all the attack dogs start yapping and barking as soon as anyone dares to shine a light on anything slightly unfavourable about good ol' NZ.

Taika has since offered an apology for his treasonous comments:

"I'm sorry NZ! I wasn't thinking and spoke in haste. I forgot to mention domestic violence, sexism, homophobia, and racism. My bad!"

:lol:

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Think nothing of it :thumbsup:

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...land-is-racist

This is the version that I read.

It seems a tale that is common throughout the world. Poverty is equated to crime and if there is a social grouping which can be associated with poverty then all members are assumed to be criminals.

Hmmm....Irish, Gyppos, Pakis.......Mexicans......wherever you are there is an identifiable target.

Sadly, I find the report believable. Often prejudice that you are born with is only visible to victims and outsiders. Looking back to the '50s and the '60s the UK was an incredibly racist place. Not as bad as South Africa and the USA which had legalised racism, but still there was a lot of racism just taken as normal.

Main message is to accept someone reporting on his upbringing and experiences, and try and avoid treating anyone in that way in future.