NZ or Oz??
 

Well if you would like to earn $12,800 less here in NZ which is apparently 26% less than the Oz median wage come here. You know where to go for better wages. Hot off the press today. I wonder why so many skip the ditch? Must be the weather.

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I've worked with a lot of Kiwi nurses who have returned from 0z stating that it's ok for the short term but they don't like to settle permanently. Statements about unfriendly Aussies, weather being too damned hot, flies, expanse of area if you're not in the cities, etc... A lot of them miss their families a great deal just like we do, so I guess we're all the same? We thought about it, but to be honest I don't think I could face starting again in yet another strange country!!!

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+1

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I think if I was younger and keen on developing my career I probably would head for Oz, just because being a bigger economy means more opportunity. Being a kiwi it wouldn't be so bad for me as my family are mostly in NZ so not far to travel. I go to Sydney once a year for a conference and I gotta say, there seems to be a more positive energy there. Not sure if that extends to the rest of the country.

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It's going to be VERY tempting once we've been in NZ 5 years not to get our citizenship and jump the ditch.

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Lies, damn lies, and...

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If we were younger and having been here for several years, we would be very tempted indeed. That is for the very many reasons peddled here on these forums every single day. Still. This isn't something we can do with a view to the long term but we may still avail ourselves of in the short term at some point,age notwithstanding. *

* disclaimer:

* Yes. Living in Oz costs are very high but living in NZ costs are quite crippling for some . Think!

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If I was younger and able to get an OZ visa, it would have been OZ definitely. I got all the pre prep done for OZ a few years ago, but my profession was taken off the skills shortage list while I was preparing the visa paperwork, and now I am too old.

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We looked at Oz - have Aunt and cousin in Adelaide. However, too hot and too many insects :). Even if I never saw one, I would have to check in my shoes, under loo seats etc every day (absolute creepy crawly phobic :eek:) and just couldn't face that. Visited both countries and just liked NZ.....and here we are :thumbsup:

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Yes the difference is more like 10 times that:p

I got asked by a head hunter recently

He was pushing the lifestyle, the work life balance Bla Blah.

I said my salary expectations are based on current earnings in Oz. He fell out of his chair. They were only offering my monthly base as an annual total package.

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If life was as simple as that all elegible earners would simply flock to the highest earnings base they could.

Clearly just one part of life's balance for each individual to consider. "Fix" that factor and another may rear its head...

...and if Oz wages were lower would that drive up NZ's (probably not as more labour available in NZ equals lower wages)?

Tbh if NZ has the ability to backfill with skilled labour as it does then the drain to Oz can be a good thing...

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Im confused.

You live in NZ?
Headhunter was for a NZ role?
You compared with Oz earnings?

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I am in OZ and the recruiter came to meet me about a role in NZ.

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Won't go because I'm stubborn, there's no rational reason not to go.

Also I think it's bad form for many Kiwis to moan about how social or not Australians can be to foreigner. Immense bunch of babies.

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:rofl: he wasted his time then....he was badly prepared or what?

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+1

Australia is Mother Natures Thunder Dome, everything is evolved to kill and eat everything else.

Including this happy looking chap, the Sydney Funnel Web spider, the Darth Vader of spiders, it's what the devil gave Marilyn Manson for christmas and it likes to live around domestic swimming pools. Quite fond of swimming apparently. A bite usually gives the victim 15-60mins to update their facebook status to "Oh %^$*".

http://www.ozanimals.com/image/album...web-spider.jpg

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I've lived in Oz a total of 9 years, and in NZ a total of 7.5 years. For me, NZ has what I want, and doesn't have what I don't want. Now, don't get me wrong - I used to keep redback spiders as pets when I was a kid! Snakes don't bother me, as I give them plenty of room and don't box them in, causing them to panic.

But what I hated about Oz was swarms of biting flies, all females, desperate to get some protein down their necks so that they can lay eggs. And that protein is in your sweat. They get in your eyes. They get up your nose. They buzz frantically around in your ears. They get up your shirt and squirm around. I HATE friggin' flies!!!!

Also, swarms of stinging jellyfish, moving up the George River in Sydney, or swarming the beaches. Unpleasant.

No snakes in NZ. All the spiders are little things. Flies are usually big, fat, and slow - you can take them out of the air with a lazy swipe of your swatter. Less people, apart from Auckland, but if I wanted to live in a big city I'd chose London, and make four times what I do here. Wellington, despite being the capital, has more of a 'town' vibe, than a 'city' vibe.

Both NZ and Oz have plenty of elbow-room.

Both Oz and NZ have a laid back "She'll be right" attitude.

Oz is more American in outlook. NZ is more English. I prefer the English attitude.

I could go on for hours about the differences, but you get my drift.

It's NZ for me. I already have NZ citizenship, and could hop the ditch any time I like. I choose not to.

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My son moved to Aus end of last year. He works as a Barista, same as he did in Wellington. In Aus he was started on a temp contract, now he is on a perm contract & supervisor, his Aus salary is the equivalent of a senior nurse in NZ & almost double what he earned here in NZ.

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Hmmm, sorry but that tells you much of why wages are higher in Aus, if a Barista doubles their wages there (and is a general rule for similar jobs), then that will feed through the economy, and frankly I doubt the additional value added to an Aus coffee vs a NZ coffee warrants the difference in labour cost.

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This confuses me a bit. Maybe I am misreading it.

Coffee in most places in Oz about $3.00 - maybe $3.50 in Melbourne. I've heard ridiculous prices in NZ. As much as $6.00 t0 $8.00??

A Barista (non supervisor) in most places will be on about $20.00 an hour.

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To anyone who hasn't been to Oz, this reads as if the whole place is permanently swarming with flies. :D Which is isn't.

Living in country Victoria flies are fairly rare. The ones you get can be rather persistent but I remember that in Spain as well. :)

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Country Victoria (and the cooler, southern states) might not have the same concentration. I remember when we first went to Oz, we thought everyone was SO friendly - they kept waving at everyone! Turns out they were waving flies away from their faces!

Every now and then, Qld gets a huge swarm, which gets blown south into NSW, and on into the top end of Victoria. Also, out bush, the flies are endemic, especially in the hotter areas, of which Oz has an abundance!

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I worked out after reading the PP that a coffee in Melbourne costs me approximately 6 minutes at my hourly rate, whereas when I was working in Christchurch, NZ it was costing me approximately 12-15 minutes, so even though the labour cost may be higher for the Melbourne coffee, the cost to me is decidedly lower.

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My point is that the inherent value added by a Barista in Oz is much the same as in NZ, then if the wages in Oz for a Barista are twice that in NZ then that supports the view that Oz wages are high because Oz input wages are high, in other words high wages with high cost of living...

I mean its not as if the Oz Barista is woring under arduous conditions, threats etc that might justify a higher wage.

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So what...you want to look at disposable income instead?

There is a reason that every time any opposition MP asks the government how the wage comparisons are going they fail to respond (regardless of which side is which). We just don't compare favorably with Australia in this area.

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What, going back to this point.. what job is paid 10 (to 12?) times more in Oz than same job in Nz? That unbelievable, thats like comparing 3rd world to 1st salary wise.

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You said it


Job is CEO

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You have a job as "CEO" and were offered another job, in another country and presumably company as "CEO". Even if true, those are arent comparable jobs given they are unique/specialist positions as heads of companies that may not even be remotely similar in scale, so that cannot be used as a benchmark for anything at all.

You are being too vague for your statements to make any sense. Logic would dictate that by and large no [normal] job has a factor of 10 difference between Oz and Nz.

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Not that you would be aware but CEO operate in a global market

My point indicates the wide gap between employment rates.

I have plenty of peers who are stuck in NZ because of family committments. Knowing as soon as they move offshore their packages multiply in comparison to a side move in NZ.

I dont need to disclose my personal package, but have given sufficent detail to indicate the disparity between OZ and NZ.

If your stuck in NZ thats your problem

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You somehow think that statement is comparable to "job is Barista" or even "job is accountant"???

What a garden path to be taken up :thumbdown:

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But mostly it tels us about differences in CEO rates between companies.
- highest to lowest CEO pay probably spans a ratio of 100,000:1 in the US for example, so your ratio of 1:10 pales into insignificance in that range...indeed such a ratio between proposed CEO pay rates probably indicates the two companies were NOT comparable.

CEO's may operate in a global market, still doesn't mean you are all worth the same or that every company can afford some empirical global minimum CEO wage. Laughable concept really...

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I am surprised that there is such a big difference on CEO level between NZ and OZ. I thought it would be less considering the fact that NZ is an extremely unequal society and people on the top here usu
ally really work the system very well.

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I am not going to waste my time explaining realities of inter tasman pay differences.

It is what it is.

You work in New Zealand you suffer the financial consequences

Do you see Australian companies jumping at the chance for a NZ Listing or IPO :rofl:

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Quite a relief then. But if you wander into threads and make statements, you can hardly blame people if they ask for a more expansive answer.

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....and it isnt routinely x10 differential. That statement was downright misleading.

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I like both countries. Being an NZ'er and getting on in years, we'll be staying put here - moving back from the UK after almost a decade was enough for me.

If we were younger though, we'd look at Australia.

My dad always encouraged us to move to Australia when we were younger. A lot of our extended family moved there 30+ years ago.

I think both countries are great, but Australia does have the edge in living standards.