Is NZ headed for the gurgler in a BIG way?
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Is NZ headed for the gurgler in a BIG way?
Another poster mooted this today so I thought I would pose the question. Is NZ heading for a very big fall for one reason or another or will tourism and the dairy factory keep us afloat? I really have no idea and think it could go either way. One more big 'quake or some other cataclysmic event could send us right down the swanee sans les paddles. I guess NZ relies too heavily on far too few resources and is very much an island waaaaaaay from anywhere else.
Personally I see my YOUNG childrens future here 100%, until their education ends alas I don't see along term future for them as adults if they want to get on (unless things really change in the next decade or so). I don't think NZ as it stands is progressive enough and is too small to offer an ambitous number of young people a future. I guess that is why 25% of the population is elsewhere eh?
Personally I see my YOUNG childrens future here 100%, until their education ends alas I don't see along term future for them as adults if they want to get on (unless things really change in the next decade or so). I don't think NZ as it stands is progressive enough and is too small to offer an ambitous number of young people a future. I guess that is why 25% of the population is elsewhere eh?
#2
Re: Is NZ headed for the gurgler in a BIG way?
No idea, but if it is then we may end up becoming a state of Australia. That may not be a bad thing. Silver linings and all that.
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Re: Is NZ headed for the gurgler in a BIG way?
One more cataclysmic event should be enough to cause economic calamity.
Parts of Wellington disappearing back under the sea or a new volcano in Auckland are two examples and neither are beyond the bounds of possibility.
The agribusiness will carry on though so it depends on your line of work as to how badly you would be affected.
If I had been born here I would have left in my twenties. Now I am older I find that Auckland is just about big enough for me, but only just.
Parts of Wellington disappearing back under the sea or a new volcano in Auckland are two examples and neither are beyond the bounds of possibility.
The agribusiness will carry on though so it depends on your line of work as to how badly you would be affected.
If I had been born here I would have left in my twenties. Now I am older I find that Auckland is just about big enough for me, but only just.
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Re: Is NZ headed for the gurgler in a BIG way?
Another poster mooted this today so I thought I would pose the question. Is NZ heading for a very big fall for one reason or another or will tourism and the dairy factory keep us afloat? I really have no idea and think it could go either way. One more big 'quake or some other cataclysmic event could send us right down the swanee sans les paddles. I guess NZ relies too heavily on far too few resources and is very much an island waaaaaaay from anywhere else.
Personally I see my YOUNG childrens future here 100%, until their education ends alas I don't see along term future for them as adults if they want to get on (unless things really change in the next decade or so). I don't think NZ as it stands is progressive enough and is too small to offer an ambitous number of young people a future. I guess that is why 25% of the population is elsewhere eh?
Personally I see my YOUNG childrens future here 100%, until their education ends alas I don't see along term future for them as adults if they want to get on (unless things really change in the next decade or so). I don't think NZ as it stands is progressive enough and is too small to offer an ambitous number of young people a future. I guess that is why 25% of the population is elsewhere eh?
Personally I think NZ is positioned to ride out a global economic meltdown better than a lot of other countries, especially compared to the UK. We have the advantage of efficient agriculture, which commands a premium price in new markets like Asia for example.
I hope in the next 10-20 years the world will change, but for the better. The years of excess that started in the 80's is coming to a end. The ruthless capitalism that has run so rampant is now going to collapse the US and the Eurozone. It's going to hurt no doubt, but I believe that there will be a focus on more sustainable living and less focus on materialism.
That is something we are teaching our kids, by example. Even if our kids chose to live overseas, then I hope their experience growing up in NZ and the values we as their parents pass on to them, will give them the courage and passion to make the world a better place.
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Re: Is NZ headed for the gurgler in a BIG way?
Of course the Awatere fault might send a big 7+ earthquake through the region and destroy everything we have worked so hard on.
"So much for the plans of mice and men"
"So much for the plans of mice and men"
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Re: Is NZ headed for the gurgler in a BIG way?
I think that water supply is going to be one of the biggest challenges facing humans in the decades ahead and for that aspect I feel very comfortable in NZ.
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What are YOU doing Genesis that is going to change that future you fear for your kids? Not bothering to vote, is not a good example.
Personally I think NZ is positioned to ride out a global economic meltdown better than a lot of other countries, especially compared to the UK. We have the advantage of efficient agriculture, which commands a premium price in new markets like Asia for example.
I hope in the next 10-20 years the world will change, but for the better. The years of excess that started in the 80's is coming to a end. The ruthless capitalism that has run so rampant is now going to collapse the US and the Eurozone. It's going to hurt no doubt, but I believe that there will be a focus on more sustainable living and less focus on materialism.
That is something we are teaching our kids, by example. Even if our kids chose to live overseas, then I hope their experience growing up in NZ and the values we as their parents pass on to them, will give them the courage and passion to make the world a better place.
Personally I think NZ is positioned to ride out a global economic meltdown better than a lot of other countries, especially compared to the UK. We have the advantage of efficient agriculture, which commands a premium price in new markets like Asia for example.
I hope in the next 10-20 years the world will change, but for the better. The years of excess that started in the 80's is coming to a end. The ruthless capitalism that has run so rampant is now going to collapse the US and the Eurozone. It's going to hurt no doubt, but I believe that there will be a focus on more sustainable living and less focus on materialism.
That is something we are teaching our kids, by example. Even if our kids chose to live overseas, then I hope their experience growing up in NZ and the values we as their parents pass on to them, will give them the courage and passion to make the world a better place.
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Re: Is NZ headed for the gurgler in a BIG way?
No-one saw the Japan quake or the Thailand tsunami coming, so if you start living in fear of what you have no control over, you might as well stick a gun in your mouth now and let the kids sell your house.
Alternatively, you could always follow the German example of actually getting on and enjoying your life and leaving the kids a debt to pass on to their kids.
Cup half empty again?
Alternatively, you could always follow the German example of actually getting on and enjoying your life and leaving the kids a debt to pass on to their kids.
Cup half empty again?
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Re: Is NZ headed for the gurgler in a BIG way?
Not really sure if Australia would want us, also you assume being part of Australia would somehow make us wealthier.
Look I agree keeping graduates in New Zealand is a real problem but without companies here looking to hire skilled employees it’s always going to be a problem. What can the gubbermint do? They can’t magically will jobs out of thin air or that’s what John Key would be doing right this second.
Could New Zealand do more to encourage people to start companies and encourage trade? Of course, the same things all countries do like investing in infrastructure, reallocate funding to business investments through changes to the tax codes and aiding in finding start-up capital for people starting companies.
Would they be popular if they told people taxes where going to go up on their incomes, businesses and house sales? No. Net result: Their hands are tied.
Look I agree keeping graduates in New Zealand is a real problem but without companies here looking to hire skilled employees it’s always going to be a problem. What can the gubbermint do? They can’t magically will jobs out of thin air or that’s what John Key would be doing right this second.
Could New Zealand do more to encourage people to start companies and encourage trade? Of course, the same things all countries do like investing in infrastructure, reallocate funding to business investments through changes to the tax codes and aiding in finding start-up capital for people starting companies.
Would they be popular if they told people taxes where going to go up on their incomes, businesses and house sales? No. Net result: Their hands are tied.
#10
Re: Is NZ headed for the gurgler in a BIG way?
You need to cheer up Bro, try posting something happy
Neil
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Re: Is NZ headed for the gurgler in a BIG way?
No-one saw the Japan quake or the Thailand tsunami coming, so if you start living in fear of what you have no control over, you might as well stick a gun in your mouth now and let the kids sell your house.
Alternatively, you could always follow the German example of actually getting on and enjoying your life and leaving the kids a debt to pass on to their kids.
Cup half empty again?
Alternatively, you could always follow the German example of actually getting on and enjoying your life and leaving the kids a debt to pass on to their kids.
Cup half empty again?
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Re: Is NZ headed for the gurgler in a BIG way?
Surely the English way is to find humour in the darkest depths misery, suffering and despair of life. We thrive on adversity and love a history that teaches us that from the darkest times we can emerge defiantly and strive on with grit and determination. As much as Americans believed in their exceptionalism we believe in our ability to endure no matter how much of a close run thing it is.
If it so happens that that adversity is surviving the mundane tyranny of an inconsequential existence then that is where we march. If the English where in the position the Greeks are in their reaction would be “well it could be worse, it has been worse…now let’s put this right” or “let’s think of how lucky we are to have sunshine” (they would be in Greece after all! ). That is the British way, not faux cheery optimism.
If it so happens that that adversity is surviving the mundane tyranny of an inconsequential existence then that is where we march. If the English where in the position the Greeks are in their reaction would be “well it could be worse, it has been worse…now let’s put this right” or “let’s think of how lucky we are to have sunshine” (they would be in Greece after all! ). That is the British way, not faux cheery optimism.
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Re: Is NZ headed for the gurgler in a BIG way?
Surely the English way is to find humour in the darkest depths misery, suffering and despair of life. We thrive on adversity and love a history that teaches us that from the darkest times we can emerge defiantly and strive on with grit and determination. As much as Americans believed in their exceptionalism we believe in our ability to endure no matter how much of a close run thing it is.
If it so happens that that adversity is surviving the mundane tyranny of an inconsequential existence then that is where we march. If the English where in the position the Greeks are in their reaction would be “well it could be worse, it has been worse…now let’s put this right” or “let’s think of how lucky we are to have sunshine” (they would be in Greece after all! ). That is the British way, not faux cheery optimism.
If it so happens that that adversity is surviving the mundane tyranny of an inconsequential existence then that is where we march. If the English where in the position the Greeks are in their reaction would be “well it could be worse, it has been worse…now let’s put this right” or “let’s think of how lucky we are to have sunshine” (they would be in Greece after all! ). That is the British way, not faux cheery optimism.
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