North and South islands - Climate Advice & wher to live for lifestyle
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I like the thought of a small safe quiet town (maybe 20 minutes from coast). I don't like busy places, take yesterday for example, the first half decent dry day (8*) in weeks. We took the dogs to Barry Island at 8:30 (before the crowds) but everyone else has the same idea. We both said yesterday, wouldn't it be nice to find some quiet beaches where the dogs can run free with a lot less hussle and bussle!
Cym - how long have you lived in NZ? What are the differences you see compared to SW valleys?
I like the thought of a small safe quiet town (maybe 20 minutes from coast). I don't like busy places, take yesterday for example, the first half decent dry day (8*) in weeks. We took the dogs to Barry Island at 8:30 (before the crowds) but everyone else has the same idea. We both said yesterday, wouldn't it be nice to find some quiet beaches where the dogs can run free with a lot less hussle and bussle!
Cym - how long have you lived in NZ? What are the differences you see compared to SW valleys?
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I've only driven over a few times but surely it must be possible to find empty beaches in Wales? Unless you're willing to drive very far or really live in the middle of nowhere, even the beaches in NZ can be crowded (depending what your used to), because most people have to live where the work is.
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Rainbow
easy answer first, came here in Sept 05 and been here since. Only been back once to 'ome and it was a big struggle to get back on the plane to come back to NZ....not because I dislike it.....NO.....because I miss my family so much. I had a wander around Ponty when we went back and didn't recongise the place. It's become a dump. (some might say it always has been......but some of us know better)
Anyway compare with the Valleys?
There's none. There easy eh!
Imagine my face if you will when we first came here and went to Mitre10, kiwi B&Q, looking for a new door.
The conversation went something like this.
Me and her looking at two doors, along came some grandad .
"May I help you"?
"Yeah butt, where's the doors"
Grandad looks puzzled and points at the two doors.
"Aye, but where's the 'DOORS' butty"?
"These are doors" says grandad
"I can see that butty, I can see you have TWO doors, so where are you hiding the rest"?
"rest"? He says
So you getting the picture?
Now if you live in the city like AK or Tauaranga then there will be more builders merchants, electrical shops, plumbing shops, so on and hopefully more choice.
You live in the out on their own places like NP, Napier, Gissy then choice is a lot less.
And you'll think to yourself WTF, but eventually you'll get used to it and before long you'll be kiwi and accept it
The other thing to be aware of, is nothing here runs into another, No Porth/Pandy/Pentre/Herbert ribbon. Everywhere except AK is separate. And sometimes the distance in-between is really a long way.
So to give you something of a comparison with towns
Tauaranga = Bristol perhaps Swansea
NP = LLanelli
Gissy/Napier = Carmarthen
Palmy = Ponty (especially with the students)
Wangers = Zooport - but that's just me hating both places....but trust me I'm right (stand by for all Wangers and Zooport lovers to tell you different)
The thing to also be aware of there's nothing like Barry or Porthcawl here (shame Knights arms - miss that place) but there's heaps of beaches. For me the east coast is way way better for beaches - Anywhere from Napier to Castlepoint
The other thing to know is, in my opinion, kiwi's aren't dog lovers like what we are.
We used to walk our dogs everywhere in Wales. Here they can't go in any national park and most popular beaches are not permitted during peak periods. much like camps sites that say they are pet friendly - yeah in the low season when they want anyone's money.
But bring your fur babies - they'll be your link to 'ome and you'll need it
Keep asking the questions
(is sweaty betty's still open?)
easy answer first, came here in Sept 05 and been here since. Only been back once to 'ome and it was a big struggle to get back on the plane to come back to NZ....not because I dislike it.....NO.....because I miss my family so much. I had a wander around Ponty when we went back and didn't recongise the place. It's become a dump. (some might say it always has been......but some of us know better)
Anyway compare with the Valleys?
There's none. There easy eh!
Imagine my face if you will when we first came here and went to Mitre10, kiwi B&Q, looking for a new door.
The conversation went something like this.
Me and her looking at two doors, along came some grandad .
"May I help you"?
"Yeah butt, where's the doors"
Grandad looks puzzled and points at the two doors.
"Aye, but where's the 'DOORS' butty"?
"These are doors" says grandad
"I can see that butty, I can see you have TWO doors, so where are you hiding the rest"?
"rest"? He says
So you getting the picture?
Now if you live in the city like AK or Tauaranga then there will be more builders merchants, electrical shops, plumbing shops, so on and hopefully more choice.
You live in the out on their own places like NP, Napier, Gissy then choice is a lot less.
And you'll think to yourself WTF, but eventually you'll get used to it and before long you'll be kiwi and accept it
The other thing to be aware of, is nothing here runs into another, No Porth/Pandy/Pentre/Herbert ribbon. Everywhere except AK is separate. And sometimes the distance in-between is really a long way.
So to give you something of a comparison with towns
Tauaranga = Bristol perhaps Swansea
NP = LLanelli
Gissy/Napier = Carmarthen
Palmy = Ponty (especially with the students)
Wangers = Zooport - but that's just me hating both places....but trust me I'm right (stand by for all Wangers and Zooport lovers to tell you different)
The thing to also be aware of there's nothing like Barry or Porthcawl here (shame Knights arms - miss that place) but there's heaps of beaches. For me the east coast is way way better for beaches - Anywhere from Napier to Castlepoint
The other thing to know is, in my opinion, kiwi's aren't dog lovers like what we are.
We used to walk our dogs everywhere in Wales. Here they can't go in any national park and most popular beaches are not permitted during peak periods. much like camps sites that say they are pet friendly - yeah in the low season when they want anyone's money.
But bring your fur babies - they'll be your link to 'ome and you'll need it
Keep asking the questions
(is sweaty betty's still open?)
From memory isnt sweaty Betty's in Ponty? Not sure if it's still there - I know princes' is ( they still do the most amazing rolls and cakes).
When we come over we are going to explore both North and South as I think the South will suit us better.
If we do make the move, we won't be basing it around 'you have to go where the work is approach ' as some on here have suggested. We have lots of years ahead of us to decide and qualifications that exceed the 160 pending job offers. We see this as an opportunity to at least apply for jobs in the areas we eventually shortlist.
Really looking forward to visiting in November now 😊
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If we do make the move, we won't be basing it around 'you have to go where the work is approach ' as some on here have suggested. We have lots of years ahead of us to decide and qualifications that exceed the 160 pending job offers. We see this as an opportunity to at least apply for jobs in the areas we eventually shortlist.
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Hawkes Bay is very hot in Summer! It was 24 degrees here today and that is not considered warm. In January it got up to 36 degrees.
Like Bevs said, unless you have guaranteed work in an area then you may struggle.
My husband had a job offer to move to Hawkes Bay with, I am a primary teacher (was on the shortage list at the time) but I struggled to get a job.
Good luck!
Like Bevs said, unless you have guaranteed work in an area then you may struggle.
My husband had a job offer to move to Hawkes Bay with, I am a primary teacher (was on the shortage list at the time) but I struggled to get a job.
Good luck!
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Hawkes Bay is very hot in Summer! It was 24 degrees here today and that is not considered warm. In January it got up to 36 degrees.
Like Bevs said, unless you have guaranteed work in an area then you may struggle.
My husband had a job offer to move to Hawkes Bay with, I am a primary teacher (was on the shortage list at the time) but I struggled to get a job.
Good luck!
Like Bevs said, unless you have guaranteed work in an area then you may struggle.
My husband had a job offer to move to Hawkes Bay with, I am a primary teacher (was on the shortage list at the time) but I struggled to get a job.
Good luck!
Gosh I didnt realise the temperature exceeds 30. I've been doing a lot more research in the South Island, milder temps etc. For me I guess dry weather is more important than a high temperatures (I tend to holiday in the winter months and stay at home in the summer because I am not a fan of extreme heat).
What I have found confusing is the national average for sunshine in Nelson is 4hrs in Dec & Jan, is this correct or am I missing something?
Your contributions are very helpful - thank you all.
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I think that's the same everywhere to be honest. As soon as you have a beach with facilities there will always be people and unless you're willing to drive, even in NZ there will be people on a beach depending on location (population). I suppose as you're stuck between Swansea & Cardiff there aren't that many choices but be prepared to drive, as distances are a lot further. We're in Ireland, so are used to driving and probably drive 2 hours every 2nd weekend. This Saturday it's not beach but shopping in the UK (Belfast). Just thought that when we drove through Wales there were many empty beaches.
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New Zealand is a series of micro climates. Not all are temperate. Some is sub-tropical. There will be rains. It isn't called the land of the long white cloud for nothing.
If you cannot take heat then South is likely better. If in your head NZ weather is like Med weather then perhaps have a rethink. I am not saying you do think that but many seem to have that idea for some reason.
I will go back to this
We have lots of years ahead of us to decide and qualifications that exceed the 160 pending job offers.
At the moment you may well count up 160 points with a job offer , however NZ immigration policies change twice a year. They may put up the points auto selection criteria. They may alter the shortages lists.
Do not underestimate the difficulty of obtaining a full time long term job offer even if in New Zealand. That will depend on the skilled occupation and where the shortages are.
As you have dogs you should investigate where any dog friendly beaches are. Bear in mind the sun and the heat with them also.
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Thank you Bevs, that's really informative. My husband is a electrical engineer in waste water and will be looking for a similar job if we decide to try for a visa. Our visit in November is to see if it's an improvement on what we have at the moment (mainly better weather). We don't plan on moving right away as we want to clear the mortgage beforehand so we have at least £250k for property when we move.
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Thank you Bevs, that's really informative. My husband is a electrical engineer in waste water and will be looking for a similar job if we decide to try for a visa. Our visit in November is to see if it's an improvement on what we have at the moment (mainly better weather). We don't plan on moving right away as we want to clear the mortgage beforehand so we have at least £250k for property when we move.
On a practical note I cannot see Waste Water Engineers on any occupational shortage lists . However a job offer from an accredited employer would do the trick quite well.
Looking at rates of pay, I would suggest you factor that in to areas of interest. Costs of living can vary quite a bit here in New Zealand as can property prices.
To me the South Island is far more rural than the North Island. I'm thinking waste water and effluent here. It has less people overall. I'm thinking beaches. Dog friendly beaches are about but best to check if and where they are. It being less people means more protected wildlife on said beaches = not good for dogs off leads.
Clearing a mortgage is a great idea. I would always go for the no debt option if at all possible.
My gut thought for you guys would be look South. Canterbury.
Stantec Ltd for instance is an NZIS accredited employer in that region.
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I will certainly look into this - thank you. I may have worded his title incorrect, he is a qualified electrician with high voltage in this role too so may have to apply as an electrician.
I think South is a must for us with regards to less heat etc.
With regards the finances we are overpaying the mortgage in huge chunks every month so we can be mortgage free wherever we end up. 😊
I think South is a must for us with regards to less heat etc.
With regards the finances we are overpaying the mortgage in huge chunks every month so we can be mortgage free wherever we end up. 😊
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Hi Rainbow,
The climate out here in aucland is very hot compared to the UK. Don't be fouled with the average temp on Google.
Its been at 30 degrees out here almost everyday since before xmas. It feels alot alot more hotter aswell it's just cooling down the past week its still hot. Also i have never worn Sun cream in my life hardly and never burned till I come here. I have to put sun cream on every morning factor 50 and still get burnt ears and nose most days. The weather is alot more predictable thou you dont have crazy temp changes like back home. I'm from Scotland and its alot nicer weather and more predictable here.
The places that you are going go visit are really small places. which means there be alot less work in these areas.
Places like New Plymouth and whangeri are like small towns back home and you can't just drive to next town or city as its like a 2 or 3 hour drive.
They are lovely areas and would be great place to live the problem would be securing local work in these areas.
If you go on Indeed NZ and have a look how many Electrian jobs have been advertised in these areas the will be few and far between.
Also the south Island was hotter when we had heat wave last month. think it was 35 degrees.
The climate out here in aucland is very hot compared to the UK. Don't be fouled with the average temp on Google.
Its been at 30 degrees out here almost everyday since before xmas. It feels alot alot more hotter aswell it's just cooling down the past week its still hot. Also i have never worn Sun cream in my life hardly and never burned till I come here. I have to put sun cream on every morning factor 50 and still get burnt ears and nose most days. The weather is alot more predictable thou you dont have crazy temp changes like back home. I'm from Scotland and its alot nicer weather and more predictable here.
The places that you are going go visit are really small places. which means there be alot less work in these areas.
Places like New Plymouth and whangeri are like small towns back home and you can't just drive to next town or city as its like a 2 or 3 hour drive.
They are lovely areas and would be great place to live the problem would be securing local work in these areas.
If you go on Indeed NZ and have a look how many Electrian jobs have been advertised in these areas the will be few and far between.
Also the south Island was hotter when we had heat wave last month. think it was 35 degrees.
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Hey Guys,
I've sent you a private message - rather than clog up the board with the ramblings of a deranged ex valley, trog. lol
Sweaty Bettys, off of Taff Street, the place to go after a great night out at club y bont.
Daren't go there sober! God forbid
I've sent you a private message - rather than clog up the board with the ramblings of a deranged ex valley, trog. lol
Sweaty Bettys, off of Taff Street, the place to go after a great night out at club y bont.
Daren't go there sober! God forbid
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Hi Rainbow,
The climate out here in aucland is very hot compared to the UK. Don't be fouled with the average temp on Google.
Its been at 30 degrees out here almost everyday since before xmas. It feels alot alot more hotter aswell it's just cooling down the past week its still hot. Also i have never worn Sun cream in my life hardly and never burned till I come here. I have to put sun cream on every morning factor 50 and still get burnt ears and nose most days. The weather is alot more predictable thou you dont have crazy temp changes like back home. I'm from Scotland and its alot nicer weather and more predictable here.
The climate out here in aucland is very hot compared to the UK. Don't be fouled with the average temp on Google.
Its been at 30 degrees out here almost everyday since before xmas. It feels alot alot more hotter aswell it's just cooling down the past week its still hot. Also i have never worn Sun cream in my life hardly and never burned till I come here. I have to put sun cream on every morning factor 50 and still get burnt ears and nose most days. The weather is alot more predictable thou you dont have crazy temp changes like back home. I'm from Scotland and its alot nicer weather and more predictable here.
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Forget the weather outside and look at the accomodation. In the hot weather you can find shade, get air con or a fan. However, in the winter you may find yourself in a damp, uncomfortable freezing house that seemed ok in the summer. There's no such thing as bad weather just bad clothing and in NZ that extends to bad accomodation. Drafty uninsulated sheds are not easy to keep cosy.