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Old Jan 30th 2007, 3:14 am
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/6309791.stm

Not in NZ myself, I'm in Oz, but I saw this on the BBC website and thought you may be interested. Apologies if its been posted before...
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Personally I've known about this since I started getting interested in NZ. Hasn't put me off. It's something that society needs to get a handle on, very sad. I've been at the receiving end of domestic violence, but I evened out the statistics by fighting back and doing damage to him, too. Must confirm: NOT with hubby, HELL NO! With my ex in France. Shitface he turned out to be.
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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus View Post
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/6309791.stm

Not in NZ myself, I'm in Oz, but I saw this on the BBC website and thought you may be interested. Apologies if its been posted before...
Its not a dark secret (well not since "once were warriors"). Part of the culture that needs to be changed no dening that.

Especially since the women now outnumber the men
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For those who are unaware of the film...

Once were warriors
Power film, well worth renting from Blockbuster or similar video rental stores.

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For those who are unaware of the film...

Once were warriors
Power film, well worth renting from Blockbuster or similar video rental stores.
Hell yeah, very good movie, the second one wasn't so good though, What Becomes of the Broken Hearted. I think that's what it was called.
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I think the John Key *State of the Nation* speech today would give potential migrants a good insight into the social problems in NZ. Admittedly a lot of it is political spin (he is the new National Party leader and wants to win the next election); still rather refreshing to see hear someone who is not in denial of the social problems in NZ.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/3945535a19855.html
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once were warriors very good film, but not one for the faint hearted, anyone thinking ofgetting it might want to rent whale rider for afterwards.

re nz dark secret nz like everywhere else in the world has its fair share of crime icluding violence and drugs ( just look at the number of new prisons being built) however, there is only 4 million or so people so it is on alot smaller scale. also NZ is a world leader in criminal justice policy and has developed key methods such as restorative justice.

crime and social issues will always be on the political agenda so beware of spin.

when it comes down to it you are still less likely to be a victim of crime in NZ than in the UK and it also comes down to a feeling of safety, how many people on here that have made the move feel safer in NZ than they ever did in the uk.



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Originally Posted by Maz View Post
Personally I've known about this since I started getting interested in NZ. Hasn't put me off. It's something that society needs to get a handle on, very sad. I've been at the receiving end of domestic violence, but I evened out the statistics by fighting back and doing damage to him, too. Must confirm: NOT with hubby, HELL NO! With my ex in France. Shitface he turned out to be.


well done Maz, it takes alot for people to pick up and move on from such relationships, not sure if i have done it right but i have sent some karma good on ya!
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[QUOTE=the calders;4346125]once were warriors very good film, but not one for the faint hearted, anyone thinking ofgetting it might want to rent whale rider for afterwards.

re nz dark secret nz like everywhere else in the world has its fair share of crime icluding violence and drugs ( just look at the number of new prisons being built) however, there is only 4 million or so people so it is on alot smaller scale. also NZ is a world leader in criminal justice policy and has developed key methods such as restorative justice.

crime and social issues will always be on the political agenda so beware of spin.

when it comes down to it you are still less likely to be a victim of crime in NZ than in the UK and it also comes down to a feeling of safety, how many people on here that have made the move feel safer in NZ than they ever did in the uk.



I totally agree with everything you've said. Also, I didn't think about warning people about the movie, so thanks for that, its certainly a very 'gritty' look at a moari family and you were very right to warn people. Loved the whale rider comment!!!
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once were warriors very good film, but not one for the faint hearted, anyone thinking ofgetting it might want to rent whale rider for afterwards.

re nz dark secret nz like everywhere else in the world has its fair share of crime icluding violence and drugs ( just look at the number of new prisons being built) however, there is only 4 million or so people so it is on alot smaller scale. also NZ is a world leader in criminal justice policy and has developed key methods such as restorative justice.

crime and social issues will always be on the political agenda so beware of spin.

when it comes down to it you are still less likely to be a victim of crime in NZ than in the UK and it also comes down to a feeling of safety, how many people on here that have made the move feel safer in NZ than they ever did in the uk.



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Not to be negative for the sake of it but Boyfriend was having a conversation with someone the other day about safety and he was explaining to the person how unsafe I felt in NZ. I rarely went out after dark on my own and felt quite uneasy about it if I did. I used to live in London (and was mugged once too) but had no problems with walking around there. Now we are in Italy I am happy to go out at night on my own here. I'm not necessarily suggesting that you are more likely to be a victim of crime in NZ (I wasn't mugged there) but the whole culture of the place did not make me feel at all safe or inclined to be out in the dark. I found that a big problem and not something I could ever comes to terms with - the overwhelming 'nasty' feeling about the place. And as I said I used to live in London...
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once were warriors very good film, but not one for the faint hearted, anyone thinking ofgetting it might want to rent whale rider for afterwards.

re nz dark secret nz like everywhere else in the world has its fair share of crime icluding violence and drugs ( just look at the number of new prisons being built) however, there is only 4 million or so people so it is on alot smaller scale. also NZ is a world leader in criminal justice policy and has developed key methods such as restorative justice.

crime and social issues will always be on the political agenda so beware of spin.

when it comes down to it you are still less likely to be a victim of crime in NZ than in the UK and it also comes down to a feeling of safety, how many people on here that have made the move feel safer in NZ than they ever did in the uk.



I totally agree with everything you've said. Also, I didn't think about warning people about the movie, so thanks for that, its certainly a very 'gritty' look at a moari family and you were very right to warn people. Loved the whale rider comment!!!
You're not going to do yourself any favours with the Maori community if you keep spelling it like you do!
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You're not going to do yourself any favours with the Maori community if you keep spelling it like you do!
WHOOPS! Thanks for the note, I did try it both ways and couldn't work out which was right. Not a great start being as I have been making an effort to learn some maori words!
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Not to be negative for the sake of it but Boyfriend was having a conversation with someone the other day about safety and he was explaining to the person how unsafe I felt in NZ. I rarely went out after dark on my own and felt quite uneasy about it if I did. I used to live in London (and was mugged once too) but had no problems with walking around there. Now we are in Italy I am happy to go out at night on my own here. I'm not necessarily suggesting that you are more likely to be a victim of crime in NZ (I wasn't mugged there) but the whole culture of the place did not make me feel at all safe or inclined to be out in the dark. I found that a big problem and not something I could ever comes to terms with - the overwhelming 'nasty' feeling about the place. And as I said I used to live in London...

I think that's a personal thing because stats seem to suggest otherwise, especially as there are so few people in NZ as someone once stated (can't remember which thread that was). Anyway, I felt completely unsafe in Italy, I'm usually very confident about going out alone, but found the guys there kind of creepy. I also had an unfortunate episode of road rage (HE WAS IN THE WRONG!!!), in NZ, AND I used to work as a counsellor with vulnerable women (in NZ) and I heard some real horror stories, BUT I still felt safer in NZ. I also feel that my kids will be safer there to. Its certainly a personal thing.
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I think that's a personal thing because stats seem to suggest otherwise, especially as there are so few people in NZ as someone once stated (can't remember which thread that was). Anyway, I felt completely unsafe in Italy, I'm usually very confident about going out alone, but found the guys there kind of creepy. I also had an unfortunate episode of road rage (HE WAS IN THE WRONG!!!), in NZ, AND I used to work as a counsellor with vulnerable women (in NZ) and I heard some real horror stories, BUT I still felt safer in NZ. I also feel that my kids will be safer there to. Its certainly a personal thing.
Yes, tis definitely personal - as are all my posts, I can only go on personal experience. As I understand it there are some places in Italy where you wouldn't want to walk alone - I've heard Naples is a bit of a nightmare (but I haven't been so can't comment) in that sense. But I'm in the north which is "more civilised" (not my words, I hasten to add) and I was always under the impression (from others who had holidayed) that Italian guys were creepy but I haven't generally found that to be the case. Certainly you get those who look you up and down and make the odd comment but no more than anywhere else I have been - and it's a myth that they pinch girl's bums all the time! (And I have a sizeable bum, sadly and to my great annoyance, so if they were going to pinch one it would probably be mine. Grrrrrr.) I don't have kids and therefore can't comment on whether I think they would be safe in NZ but I don't think I would choose to bring up kids there - but that's more to do with the education, another story entirely.
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once were warriors very good film, but not one for the faint hearted, anyone thinking ofgetting it might want to rent whale rider for afterwards.

re nz dark secret nz like everywhere else in the world has its fair share of crime icluding violence and drugs ( just look at the number of new prisons being built) however, there is only 4 million or so people so it is on alot smaller scale. also NZ is a world leader in criminal justice policy and has developed key methods such as restorative justice.

crime and social issues will always be on the political agenda so beware of spin.

when it comes down to it you are still less likely to be a victim of crime in NZ than in the UK and it also comes down to a feeling of safety, how many people on here that have made the move feel safer in NZ than they ever did in the uk.



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Once Were Warriors and Whale Rider are both good movies BUT they are not meant to be nor are a genuine reflection of reality. They are dramatised contemporary Maori 'pop culturist' productions. They use melodrama and overstatement as tools that in the end make someone who grew up in NZ and had Maori friends more than a little annoyed with them.

One of the most powerful commentaries these films project is the cultivation of this modern day myth of a Maori society that exists in a vacuum (oppressed by but not part of the Pakeha world). Sheer bunk!

I was offended by the depiction of a NZ in which Maori and Pakeha do not socialise with each other. This is not what NZ has ever been about but serves the more extreme within the Maori activism movement. And that sort of message is a disservice to ALL New Zealanders (including current and future migrants). It creates a false perspective that if allowed to be propagated will only result in increased tensions and divides within NZ society.
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