New flag for the kiwis!
Feb 14th 2009, 1:48 am
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New flag for the kiwis!
Has anyone seen the new national flag for New Zealand.
Looks pretty good actually. Still has the four stars and then a silver fern on a red and black background in the corner to replace our union jack.
Must say I still find it offensive that they're allowed to use our flag on theirs anyway.
Does this also mean they will leave the commonwealth and fend for themselves without assistance from the uk and australia, and perhaps forge stronger links with China?
Looks pretty good actually. Still has the four stars and then a silver fern on a red and black background in the corner to replace our union jack.
Must say I still find it offensive that they're allowed to use our flag on theirs anyway.
Does this also mean they will leave the commonwealth and fend for themselves without assistance from the uk and australia, and perhaps forge stronger links with China?
Feb 14th 2009, 3:30 am
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Re: New flag for the kiwis!
The New Zealand Flag has not been changed:
http://www.mch.govt.nz/nzflag/
also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Flag
http://www.nzflaginstitute.org/index_page0001.htm
http://www.mch.govt.nz/nzflag/
also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Flag
http://www.nzflaginstitute.org/index_page0001.htm
Feb 15th 2009, 12:00 am
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Just wondering...
Just wondering why last post is showing an Australian flag ?!?
Feb 15th 2009, 2:00 am
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Re: New flag for the kiwis!
Err it's an NZ flag (with red stars!)
Feb 15th 2009, 2:39 am
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Re: New flag for the kiwis!
Has anyone seen the new national flag for New Zealand.
Looks pretty good actually. Still has the four stars and then a silver fern on a red and black background in the corner to replace our union jack.
Must say I still find it offensive that they're allowed to use our flag on theirs anyway.
Does this also mean they will leave the commonwealth and fend for themselves without assistance from the uk and australia, and perhaps forge stronger links with China?
Looks pretty good actually. Still has the four stars and then a silver fern on a red and black background in the corner to replace our union jack.
Must say I still find it offensive that they're allowed to use our flag on theirs anyway.
Does this also mean they will leave the commonwealth and fend for themselves without assistance from the uk and australia, and perhaps forge stronger links with China?
a lot of Kiwi's find it offensive that we have to use your flag pascair.Care to remind me what aid NZ gets from the UK and Aus.
Right now Aus is once more getting a lot of Kiwi aid fighting their bush fires.
Feb 15th 2009, 3:13 am
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Re: New flag for the kiwis!
A lot of cash strapped immigrants for starters!
Wow, four dogs and a few fireman a week after the event, and you still make it sound like a chore rather than a gesture of goodwill...
Feb 15th 2009, 7:01 am
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Re: New flag for the kiwis!
The Returned Servicemen Association want to retain the NZ flag in its present form. This is the flag they fought under and the one which their friends died defending. The flag will not be changed until the last member of the RSA has passed away. Pascair because you find it offensive that the Union Jack is on the NZ flag - you should make a formal complaint in person , at your local RSA .
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Feb 15th 2009, 7:22 am
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Re: New flag for the kiwis!
For those "our flaggers" please keep in mind that the Union Flag features in many jurisdictions which are part of the heritage of British people moving out into the world to make their way in life, creating a living out of the wilderness and then in the new cities and towns that sprang up in Canada, New Zealand, Australia and many other places. In Canada, the union flag was on a red background. I forget what the red ensign is associated with, but it was used in Canada, with a portion of the Coat of Arms of Canada on it. Almost all the provincial and territorial flags of Canada have a union flag in the corner or is represented in some other way. Keep in mind that the majority of people now living in Canada, New Zealand and elsewhere trace their family roots to the UK. One has only to travel around these countries and see in every town and city a cenotaph or other monument to those lost in the wars. They are the same monuments in each country errected for the same purpose. Many of those who died will have had family members still in the UK. Indeed, it is my feeling that we are all part of the greater family of Anglo Saxons who have made their way in the world. There is no "our flag" exclusive to those who live currently in the UK. The Union Flag (only a Jack on a ship) is one of those emblems and institutions that link as all together. It is not a symbol of division as represented here. I have photos of my grandfather, though born in Ontario, fought in the first war in the Canadian Expeditionary Force under British Army leadership. At the time, the Union Flag was the flag of Canada. So, please, don't appropriate this great symbol to suit your small minded view when it is a symbol much wider and greater than your vision.
Feb 15th 2009, 7:33 pm
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Re: New flag for the kiwis!
For those "our flaggers" please keep in mind that the Union Flag features in many jurisdictions which are part of the heritage of British people moving out into the world to make their way in life, creating a living out of the wilderness and then in the new cities and towns that sprang up in Canada, New Zealand, Australia and many other places. In Canada, the union flag was on a red background. I forget what the red ensign is associated with, but it was used in Canada, with a portion of the Coat of Arms of Canada on it. Almost all the provincial and territorial flags of Canada have a union flag in the corner or is represented in some other way. Keep in mind that the majority of people now living in Canada, New Zealand and elsewhere trace their family roots to the UK. One has only to travel around these countries and see in every town and city a cenotaph or other monument to those lost in the wars. They are the same monuments in each country errected for the same purpose. Many of those who died will have had family members still in the UK. Indeed, it is my feeling that we are all part of the greater family of Anglo Saxons who have made their way in the world. There is no "our flag" exclusive to those who live currently in the UK. The Union Flag (only a Jack on a ship) is one of those emblems and institutions that link as all together. It is not a symbol of division as represented here. I have photos of my grandfather, though born in Ontario, fought in the first war in the Canadian Expeditionary Force under British Army leadership. At the time, the Union Flag was the flag of Canada. So, please, don't appropriate this great symbol to suit your small minded view when it is a symbol much wider and greater than your vision.
But you'll find (and bellasmum post confirms my point) that this new generation of kiwis have a different attitude and so do not deserve to use our union jack (NOT union flag, tch
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Feb 15th 2009, 7:40 pm
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Re: New flag for the kiwis!
as ca2nz said, it's not just 'your' flag.
I am a kiwi but my heritage is entirely from the British Isles. I still have relatives there. Having said that, I've always thought we needed a new flag because we are no longer a British colony. Plus I'm tired of having our flag mistaken for the aussies' all the time. Not very original
I am a kiwi but my heritage is entirely from the British Isles. I still have relatives there. Having said that, I've always thought we needed a new flag because we are no longer a British colony. Plus I'm tired of having our flag mistaken for the aussies' all the time. Not very original
Feb 15th 2009, 9:16 pm
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Re: New flag for the kiwis!
If you must be pedantic
it is only the Union Jack when flown at the bow of a ship! I will now duck behind a parapet somewhere as this subject can get very heated, and as far as I am aware there is no formal and correct judgment as to whether you call it the "Union Jack" or the "Union Flag". I personally like the fact that many Commonwealth countries have retained the Union Flag as part of their own. It is also worth pointing out that at least one US state retains the Union Flag as part of its state flag...
Feb 15th 2009, 10:58 pm
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Re: New flag for the kiwis!
If you must be pedantic it is only the Union Jack when flown at the bow of a ship! I will now duck behind a parapet somewhere as this subject can get very heated, and as far as I am aware there is no formal and correct judgment as to whether you call it the "Union Jack" or the "Union Flag".
I personally like the fact that many Commonwealth countries have retained the Union Flag as part of their own. It is also worth pointing out that at least one US state retains the Union Flag as part of its state flag...
it is only the Union Jack when flown at the bow of a ship! I will now duck behind a parapet somewhere as this subject can get very heated, and as far as I am aware there is no formal and correct judgment as to whether you call it the "Union Jack" or the "Union Flag". I personally like the fact that many Commonwealth countries have retained the Union Flag as part of their own. It is also worth pointing out that at least one US state retains the Union Flag as part of its state flag...
I think it's fine for a country to use the UNION JACK if they are proud to do so but if not they should move on like USA, Canada for example.
The only countries I can think of that use the union jack other than nz and oz are some of the pacific islands and if they're proud of they're history while still having their own sense of identity why not?
Feb 15th 2009, 11:50 pm
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Re: New flag for the kiwis!
I've never called it a union flag or heard anyone else call it that.
I think it's fine for a country to use the UNION JACK if they are proud to do so but if not they should move on like USA, Canada for example.
The only countries I can think of that use the union jack other than nz and oz are some of the pacific islands and if they're proud of they're history while still having their own sense of identity why not?
I think it's fine for a country to use the UNION JACK if they are proud to do so but if not they should move on like USA, Canada for example.
The only countries I can think of that use the union jack other than nz and oz are some of the pacific islands and if they're proud of they're history while still having their own sense of identity why not?
(from the source of all knowledge ...and much rubbish! - Wikipedia)
Whether to use "Union Flag" or "Union Jack" is a matter of debate. One view is that "Union Jack" should be used only for the flag when it is flown as a jack (a small flag flown at the bow of a ship),[3] but it is not universally accepted that the "Jack" of "Union Jack" is a reference to such a jack flag and is only an educated guess.[4]
The Flag Institute, the vexillological organisation for the United Kingdom, stated that the term Union Flag is a "relatively recent idea". It also noted that "From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag".[2] Nevertheless, the term "Union Flag" is used in King James's proclamations of 1606 and 1634[citation needed], and in King George III's proclamation of 1 January 1801 concerning the arms and flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.[citation needed]
By the way the State of Hawaii has a Union jack on it's flag....I wonder if they feel a pressing need to change it?
Feb 15th 2009, 11:52 pm
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a matter for debate it would seem..
(from the source of all knowledge ...and much rubbish! - Wikipedia)
Whether to use "Union Flag" or "Union Jack" is a matter of debate. One view is that "Union Jack" should be used only for the flag when it is flown as a jack (a small flag flown at the bow of a ship),[3] but it is not universally accepted that the "Jack" of "Union Jack" is a reference to such a jack flag and is only an educated guess.[4]
The Flag Institute, the vexillological organisation for the United Kingdom, stated that the term Union Flag is a "relatively recent idea". It also noted that "From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag".[2] Nevertheless, the term "Union Flag" is used in King James's proclamations of 1606 and 1634[citation needed], and in King George III's proclamation of 1 January 1801 concerning the arms and flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.[citation needed]
By the way the State of Hawaii has a Union jack on it's flag....I wonder if they feel a pressing need to change it?
(from the source of all knowledge ...and much rubbish! - Wikipedia)
Whether to use "Union Flag" or "Union Jack" is a matter of debate. One view is that "Union Jack" should be used only for the flag when it is flown as a jack (a small flag flown at the bow of a ship),[3] but it is not universally accepted that the "Jack" of "Union Jack" is a reference to such a jack flag and is only an educated guess.[4]
The Flag Institute, the vexillological organisation for the United Kingdom, stated that the term Union Flag is a "relatively recent idea". It also noted that "From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag".[2] Nevertheless, the term "Union Flag" is used in King James's proclamations of 1606 and 1634[citation needed], and in King George III's proclamation of 1 January 1801 concerning the arms and flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.[citation needed]
By the way the State of Hawaii has a Union jack on it's flag....I wonder if they feel a pressing need to change it?
Feb 15th 2009, 11:56 pm
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Re: New flag for the kiwis!
I've never called it a union flag or heard anyone else call it that.
I think it's fine for a country to use the UNION JACK if they are proud to do so but if not they should move on like USA, Canada for example.
The only countries I can think of that use the union jack other than nz and oz are some of the pacific islands and if they're proud of they're history while still having their own sense of identity why not?
I think it's fine for a country to use the UNION JACK if they are proud to do so but if not they should move on like USA, Canada for example.
The only countries I can think of that use the union jack other than nz and oz are some of the pacific islands and if they're proud of they're history while still having their own sense of identity why not?
In this case I think you'll find Wikipedia is your friend...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Flag