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Old Dec 19th 2022, 9:08 pm
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We are in Nelson, looking around, and finding it confusing.

Everywhere we have visited north of Auckland is being redeveloped at a rapid pace.
Any old style NZ properties (unkindly but possibly accurately described as sheds by our daughter) are being torn down and the section subdivided into postage stamp sized plots and then built on.
Redevelopment seems to start at the end of the road closest to the town centre.

In South Nelson and the city centre there still seem to be mainly old properties, some on large sections.
The redevelopment is starting but doesn't really seem to have taken hold yet.
We have noted that there are still "traditional" houses for sale at (or below) $500,000 then a sudden jump to modern properties at $1,250,000 and above.
Does anyone in/from/near Nelson have a feel for what is going on at the moment?

If we do get as far and moving here, it would be good to know if we are seeing the last few old houses coming on the market never to be seen again, or if Nelson is still a city of two parts, ancient and modern, and something is holding back massive redevelopment as seen elsewhere.
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When you say traditional houses. Do you mean Villa's? (Like this)
​​​​ https://www.trademe.co.nz/property/r...3730835236.htm

I was very sceptical of "wooden houses" until I moved into one in Devonport on Auckland s north shore. I was sold on them straight away. After a couple of years I moved to Cambridge in the Waikato, and bought another. When they're done properly, they are extremely warm and cozy. They'll never be as efficient as a brand new, high spec new build but they are worth a look
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More like this:
https://www.realestate.co.nz/4226231...t-nelson-south
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Noting that that is hoping for $1.25M which is out of our price range.
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Originally Posted by LittleGreyCat
We are in Nelson, looking around, and finding it confusing.

Everywhere we have visited north of Auckland is being redeveloped at a rapid pace.
Any old style NZ properties (unkindly but possibly accurately described as sheds by our daughter) are being torn down and the section subdivided into postage stamp sized plots and then built on.
Redevelopment seems to start at the end of the road closest to the town centre.

In South Nelson and the city centre there still seem to be mainly old properties, some on large sections.
The redevelopment is starting but doesn't really seem to have taken hold yet.
We have noted that there are still "traditional" houses for sale at (or below) $500,000 then a sudden jump to modern properties at $1,250,000 and above.
Does anyone in/from/near Nelson have a feel for what is going on at the moment?

If we do get as far and moving here, it would be good to know if we are seeing the last few old houses coming on the market never to be seen again, or if Nelson is still a city of two parts, ancient and modern, and something is holding back massive redevelopment as seen elsewhere.
We are out in Mapua. On the phone at the mo. Will post later when himself is back. He knows certain areas far better than I do as he has worked all over the place.
Development is and will happen. Zoning etc
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As Kirsty Alsop would say " Location, Location,Location"

18 Totara Street. Nelson

From that house you could have a quick stroll to the Nelson Hells Angels HQ and if you are of a mind you could volunteer to help out at Anzac Park where those sleeping rough can gain a hot meal and asstd essentials. It is quite a close knit , incredibly diverse community which homes the Nelson/Tasman refugee quota. It is an area where those with a few bob would look to buy into a rental market and then let to those on low incomes /benefits.

TBH you really do not want to be close to Toi Toi Street. You might be close to the hospital but it is also close to the psychiatric day care units.

Looking at the pics , that's an ex-rental. It's been partly emptied out and then 'staged' . There is no heating in there . That fireplace is probably not usable even though it looks good. It has to be a certain type of woodburner or heat pumps

It is unlikely it could become an up and coming area as there is always the shadow that the Vanguard/Victory area - which that house is within - would be virtually vanquished if the much longed for and needed re-routing of the SH6 was finally pushed through. At the present time this route travels along the picturesque Rocks Road however Rocks Road itself is ever under duress from slips and with the change in climate and the increasing weather events , I can quite see it finally being deemed totally unsuitable for the heavy commuter and commercial traffic it now sees daily.

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When you say traditional houses. Do you mean Villa's? (Like this)
​​​​ https://www.trademe.co.nz/property/r...3730835236.htm
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Noting that that is hoping for $1.25M which is out of our price range.
That property is in The Wood. That is an OK area but I think a lot of the older houses will have been bought up by those wanting to get away from the new build look for something more traditional

With The Wood you have to watch for sunlight and shade but certainly it is a reasonable area to stroll into the city.


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and something is holding back massive redevelopment as seen elsewhere.
Nothing is holding back development . The Maitai Valley sub division is one example of the forthcoming ruination of an area.
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Another thing to consider is that Nelson and Tasman are out on a limb. You want to go to the NI to visit family , you are looking at a good 2 hour drive + ferry + long drive up the NI. If you want to fly it is a 2 leg journey which pushes the flight costs right up.
Nelson can be cut off as we saw over August. The SH6 is only just reopening . It is a 3/4 car hike to the West Coast. It is a 4/5 hour car hike to the East Coast.

Nelson hospital is fine enough. Like anywhere it is short of staff. Consultants and specialists are stretched. If one needs , for instance, radiation or chemo treatment you will not be getting that locally. You will be travelling to Welly, Xchuch and staying over during the week as there is not the facility at Nelson. There is a shortage of radiologists and the CT scanner - which actually hasn't been here that long - needs replacing. Some stuff is outsourced to private care. For instance I needed surgery booked for August. I had to go to a private facility for scan/ pre-op procedure and then we had to drive across town after that for the operation. It was not fun. No bed space for overnight and no staff really so I went home as we were within 40 minutes of the hospital if needs be - that was even with the roads out due to the weather event and the slips.

You want peace of mind , I am not sure Nelson and Tasman offers that. It hasn't gone 'black' as Dunedin hospital has several times but it is a concern if it cannot attract overseas staff.

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My husband just said " We'll do you a swap"

You can have our warm / cool / 1980's house with its 1400sq m section in the heart of a village that bluddy everyone wants to live in. You also get the encroachment from the so called development right bang next door.

We'll take your semi-detached even if it is by a brown sea and a pebble beach. We'll simple change our spectacles.
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Just as nice, half the price
https://www.trademe.co.nz/property/r...3833556560.htm

One thing to remember with kiwi houses.
If you see a brick house, the exterior brick walls are not structural. They are simply a veneer. The house itself will be built like all kiwi houses. A timber frame and roof trusses. Long run corrugated steel on the roof and little to no insulation.
It was only ten years ago that double glazing became a legal requirement in all new builds. Insulation requirement are still ridiculously low. Personally I think the best option, if your budget stretches to it is to build yourself with 140mm studs or sips panels. Or do a place up yourself and get it insulated properly as you go
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Originally Posted by Justcol
Just as nice, half the price
https://www.trademe.co.nz/property/r...3833556560.htm

One thing to remember with kiwi houses.
If you see a brick house, the exterior brick walls are not structural. They are simply a veneer. The house itself will be built like all kiwi houses. A timber frame and roof trusses. Long run corrugated steel on the roof and little to no insulation.
It was only ten years ago that double glazing became a legal requirement in all new builds. Insulation requirement are still ridiculously low. Personally I think the best option, if your budget stretches to it is to build yourself with 140mm studs or sips panels. Or do a place up yourself and get it insulated properly as you go
Col. That is Tahunanuu on the flat
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Col. That is Tahunanuu on the flat
Is that good or bad 🤔

It looks a nice house at an ok price

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What surprises me is that even bog standard bungalows are now classed as villas. One thing the Kiwis do well is that they know how to stage a property.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/property...6?bof=qHu7LP19
There is hardly any space around you, but maybe the classification of villa has changed?

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Originally Posted by Justcol
Is that good or bad 🤔

It looks a nice house at an ok price
Not so good
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