more people keep leaving NZ
#61
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Re: More people keep leaving NZ
To me NZ is just another place to live for now
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#62
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Re: More people keep leaving NZ
I do not think the current trend of leaving NZ is peculiar to NZ.
Indeed on the jolly old BBC website the current top story is this one:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15799571
Thousands of Britons emigrate to Australia every year in search of a better life, but now more and more are deciding Down Under is not for them and returning home. The same trend seems to be happening to Australians deserting the UK. Why?
People are mobile.
Indeed on the jolly old BBC website the current top story is this one:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15799571
Thousands of Britons emigrate to Australia every year in search of a better life, but now more and more are deciding Down Under is not for them and returning home. The same trend seems to be happening to Australians deserting the UK. Why?
People are mobile.
#63
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Re: more people keep leaving NZ
I think it's a little way beyond a few whinging British Expat chewing the fat over the ups and downs of life in NZ, the weather or the lack of a decent sausage.
#66
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Re: more people keep leaving NZ
Statistics New Zealand data showed that of the 49,000 people that left for Australia in the past year, most were New Zealand citizens.
Odd, I actually thought the thread was about the people that have done exactly this. It's a topical conversation all over the media this week; an issue for the whole country, an issue for the electorate and the forthcoming leader of the nation. Even odder, if it were ignored and not discussed on British Expats, I would have thought.
I think it's a little way beyond a few whinging British Expat chewing the fat over the ups and downs of life in NZ, the weather or the lack of a decent sausage.
Odd, I actually thought the thread was about the people that have done exactly this. It's a topical conversation all over the media this week; an issue for the whole country, an issue for the electorate and the forthcoming leader of the nation. Even odder, if it were ignored and not discussed on British Expats, I would have thought.
I think it's a little way beyond a few whinging British Expat chewing the fat over the ups and downs of life in NZ, the weather or the lack of a decent sausage.
#67
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Re: more people keep leaving NZ
#68
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Re: more people keep leaving NZ
im sure Auckland or Wellington i would love im a city girl at heart, hence NZ is not doing it for me
#69
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Re: More people keep leaving NZ
It happened very early in the recession, lots of Kiwis did come home to NZ, the same way that the Polish left the UK in vast numbers and headed back home PDQ. It makes absolute sense that people would head home to familiarity to hunker down among kith and kin: but it does not explain the opposite trend for the continued mass departures from NZ.
#70
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Re: more people keep leaving NZ
This forum is kinda warm and fuzzy in a very perverse way
I also believe the world's population is increasingly mobile and people will shift to many locations over their years. Oz gives people another option i.e. larger population, more hustle and bustle etc., but still with good weather and English as a first language. However for me I don't but into the Oz smoke and mirrors routine, as I see a lot of people on the other parts leaving Oz in droves too. I believe the real living costs are pretty high compensated by the economic bubble they are currently going through and may go through for many years to come.
Have you seen the price of a box of beers over there What about power costs through the running of air con etc incessantly just to survive the summer months.
As for blighty, well we all romanticise, me included, however after 5 months of being here, let me tell you the place is a heck of a lot worse than it was when I left in 2008. I thought I would get a job back here, and despite having a very high level of success in terms of getting interviews either the employers are taking the p*!s with their conditions, or they are employing people from elsewhere in the pool of people working in that industry.
I couldn't get into Oz (lack of qualifications etc) even with a job offer even if I wanted to, but the reality is that not having the benefits of permanent residence there makes shipping your whole life over there a real problem if it all goes belly up.
NZ is a funny old place, it has a lot going for it but equally a lot that makes it frustrating, personally I couldn't live outside of Auckland it really would kill me.
I also believe the world's population is increasingly mobile and people will shift to many locations over their years. Oz gives people another option i.e. larger population, more hustle and bustle etc., but still with good weather and English as a first language. However for me I don't but into the Oz smoke and mirrors routine, as I see a lot of people on the other parts leaving Oz in droves too. I believe the real living costs are pretty high compensated by the economic bubble they are currently going through and may go through for many years to come.
Have you seen the price of a box of beers over there What about power costs through the running of air con etc incessantly just to survive the summer months.
As for blighty, well we all romanticise, me included, however after 5 months of being here, let me tell you the place is a heck of a lot worse than it was when I left in 2008. I thought I would get a job back here, and despite having a very high level of success in terms of getting interviews either the employers are taking the p*!s with their conditions, or they are employing people from elsewhere in the pool of people working in that industry.
I couldn't get into Oz (lack of qualifications etc) even with a job offer even if I wanted to, but the reality is that not having the benefits of permanent residence there makes shipping your whole life over there a real problem if it all goes belly up.
NZ is a funny old place, it has a lot going for it but equally a lot that makes it frustrating, personally I couldn't live outside of Auckland it really would kill me.
#71
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Re: more people keep leaving NZ
Until your kids need a medical specialist or someone to teach them at school.
You have to bear in mind that not only is New Zealand losing its brightest and best, it is also competing with countries like Australia for trained professionals to replace the ones that are leaving.
You have to bear in mind that not only is New Zealand losing its brightest and best, it is also competing with countries like Australia for trained professionals to replace the ones that are leaving.
I only have Auckland to go on, but there in the out of hours medical centre, if anyone is waiting longer than an hour they draft in another doctor, the facilities are amazing and my son has access to brilliant medical people, MRI's etc., with very short time to wait i.e. days, that just would not happen in the UK.
As for schooling my sons having access to schooling that they would never have even seen in the UK, I accept many people do not think the education is good enough for their kids, personal choice and all that, but in my experience it has been light years ahead of the UK's in terms of day to day quality.
#72
Re: more people keep leaving NZ
Point of Order here, what about members such as Expat Kiwi and Kiwilass et al, are they British? I am with you on the exclusion of Johnny Foreigner Kiwis masquerading as Brits. Perhaps BE should have a more thorough vetting of members?
#73
Re: more people keep leaving NZ
For me the lovely neighbourhood, the detatched house with a pool and a garage all existed in the Uk but I could not get anywhere near them with what I had in the UK moneywise. And that is just the start of it. A good life is way more about a nice house and a good neighbourhood. NZ is very unpopulous..one of the things that the Uk did not have was a small population. I really wanted to live somewhere like NZ with a big landmass and a tiny population. I wanted a different life. I certainly got that!!!
#74
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Re: more people keep leaving NZ
For me the lovely neighbourhood, the detatched house with a pool and a garage all existed in the Uk but I could not get anywhere near them with what I had in the UK moneywise. And that is just the start of it. A good life is way more about a nice house and a good neighbourhood. NZ is very unpopulous..one of the things that the Uk did not have was a small population. I really wanted to live somewhere like NZ with a big landmass and a tiny population. I wanted a different life. I certainly got that!!!
oh well pass the wine a new day tommorow Christmas shopping meeting a friend and think how lucky I am that im experiencing life in another country! roll on summer
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#75
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Re: more people keep leaving NZ
This is rather sensationalist and maybe be true between NZ and Oz, however compare those two areas with the UK.
I only have Auckland to go on, but there in the out of hours medical centre, if anyone is waiting longer than an hour they draft in another doctor, the facilities are amazing and my son has access to brilliant medical people, MRI's etc., with very short time to wait i.e. days, that just would not happen in the UK.
As for schooling my sons having access to schooling that they would never have even seen in the UK, I accept many people do not think the education is good enough for their kids, personal choice and all that, but in my experience it has been light years ahead of the UK's in terms of day to day quality.
I only have Auckland to go on, but there in the out of hours medical centre, if anyone is waiting longer than an hour they draft in another doctor, the facilities are amazing and my son has access to brilliant medical people, MRI's etc., with very short time to wait i.e. days, that just would not happen in the UK.
As for schooling my sons having access to schooling that they would never have even seen in the UK, I accept many people do not think the education is good enough for their kids, personal choice and all that, but in my experience it has been light years ahead of the UK's in terms of day to day quality.