msi geek

Most ICT Recruiters in NZ function as robots and/or puppets with very poor "people marketing", pay rate negotiations and convincing skills - still waiting to interact with someone who can change the given opinion.

Jan n Neil

So you didn,t find your 200 K job then


Neil

Justcol

maybe your just not cut out to be a recruiter earning around 200k in NZ
maybe you should try the states I hear they appreciate people skills far more than
these backward yet happy kiwis

Charismatic

I think it's a consequence of the perpetual management crisis. They just don't know how to recruit, train or retain talented managers or executives. Need a lesson from the Jack Welch school of business .

msi geek

If US work visa was as easy as working in NZ... - have been trying for a US visa since I was a teenager.

sparkie down under

+1 &

lardyl

absolutely

sr71

Then why aren't you earning $200K+ is you think are better than them? Surely there is a gap in the market?

It sounds to me you have just got sour grapes because you can't walk into a highly paid position with no experience or qualifications.

lardyl

would that be "New Zealand experience" ? or some other type ?

BEVS

I regard my OH as having the very best of talent in his field. He has over 30 years. A 'field' we all need. It takes 4 years to qualify and another 2 years to be considered professional.
When you come here, with all of the above + 5 years of exp, it takes an exam + other practical proof to show you know what you know. It then takes a further 2 exams and more practical stuff to get you to where you were in this field of knowledge before you came here.

His last years money $48K gross I'd be laughing if it wasn't hysterical.

stephen60

please stop.
falling off the 'puter stool is now starting to hurt, particularly when i land on the bit i landed on last time

msi geek

Only a Genius can rate someone as excellent, good, average or poor - almost all genius kiwis are now working outside New Zealand and the local kiwis only care about " Team Fit " - all they require is someone with a pair of hands to do the job and a pair of legs to reach the office.

MrsFychan

so someone who can do the job and fit into the environment ? sounds fair enough to me

simonsi

Hmmm, trouble is lack of "team fit" is also used as a reason the world over for declining offers to candidates where employers want to be cagey about the actual reasons, so it being quoted doesn't necessarily tell you much about the real reasons behind being declined (talking generically here).

So when such a vague "reason" is grossed up to talk about "NZ recruiters", "NZ businesses" or the "NZ job market", it means even less I'm afraid...IMHO

Caz8NZ

That's quite true - however - i think it is much more so here about fitting in with the team - much more emphasis in the job process seems to be placed on having exactly the right person and background for the job.