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Old May 12th 2017, 3:28 am
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Originally Posted by imcaufieldholt
My daughter has just been discharged from an eating disorder hospital last week,
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My concern for you is the above statement.
As you probably know part of the process is that the person meets a health standard set by NZ Immigration . If an immigration officer deems this not to be the case the application is sent to a medical assessor who decides to pass or reject the application.

I feel that your daughter's application will go straight to a medical assessor. They will not be interested that she has been discharged but more what chance of a relapse and what this could cost NZ health services in the future.

There are conditions that are listed as automatically precluding someone from meeting the NZ standard of Health when it comes to visas and immigration. One of those is for this.

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Medical conditions deemed to impose significant costs and/or demands on New Zealand's health and/or education services- Major psychiatric illness and/or addiction including any psychiatric condition that has required hospitalisation and/or where significant support is required
My suggestion is that you speak with Lane Neave Immigration Lawyers & have a chat. I have no affiliation with them whatsoever. Just know that they are tried , tested and true.
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Originally Posted by MrsFychan
please also bear in mind the changes for visas coming in August and what it would mean on who can gain what visa and who can and cannot be added to the main applicant. On the temporary work visas only the main applicant can apply to come and work, anyone else will have to come on visitors and student visas and if they want to uplift more permanent visas have to apply off their own skills so just something else to muddy the waters possibly.
This may not apply to the OP as he has stated his work is specialised. It is the 'lower tier' workers that the above applies to.

Essential Skills – Temporary class visa

Two salary bands are proposed:

NZ$48,859[1] which is equivalent to the New Zealand median income. Applicants for an Essential Skills work visa who have an offer of employment for a position that is listed in ANZSCO[2] as skill level 1, 2 or 3 which pays at or above this band will meet the salary criteria for skilled employment; and
NZ$73,299[3] which is equivalent to 1.5x the New Zealand median income. Applicants for an Essential Skills work visa who an offer of employment for a position that is listed in ANZSCO as level 4 or lower which pays at or above this band will also meet the salary criteria for skilled employment.

Applicants for an Essential Skills work visa for a position that does not meet the criteria for one of the two salary bands will be able to apply for a lower-skilled Essential Skills work visa.
These visas will be issued for a maximum time period of 3 years, following which there will be a stand-down period (for an as yet unspecified time) before the applicant can reapply to return to New Zealand to take up another lower-skilled position.

Applicants for a lower-skilled Essential Skills work visa will not be entitled to apply for a Partnership Based Work or Study visa for their partner and will not be entitled to apply for domestic Student Visas for their school-age children. Partners and children will still be entitled to apply to come to New Zealand as visitors.
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yes you may well be correct BEV but if it is that specialised will it even be on the Skills Lists?

I see from some of the other comments that people feel quite strongly about imcaufieldholt not bringing the daughter over and as you have mentioned she will go to medical assessors and they may well deem her not well enough at the moment to get through, which seems another stress she could well do without and may have long term effects on her if she is refused.


I really am quite curious as to the Job title that is so specialised they have been unable to fill in a year.

My thoughts, as you say she seems happy about coming over for holidays, is that you speak with Lane Neave as BEVS has suggested. I am not sure if all the applicants need to remain in NZ for the visa's to remain valid or just the main applicant. If it does just come down to the main applicant it may well be an idea for you all to come out together, Obviously if the visa is agreed, to activate the visa then your wife and daughter return to UK to finish her studies, your son at the age of 13 would go to college in NZ so perhaps he should also return until he finishes school there and is 13 and come over to start college here with you and see how things are fairing for your daughter at that time. But as I say this may only be possible if only needs the main applicant to met the criteria.
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Originally Posted by imcaufieldholt
All I know is that this job was offered to me this time last year and when my daughter was admitted to hospital I had to decline.
Do you not see a link between these two points?

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And that is a very good code to live by...... probably one I should heed.
I'm just too excited about finally making a dream come true and in a job space that will be exciting..... I guess everyone is getting dragged along ;-)
Sounds like you have already decided.


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Originally Posted by imcaufieldholt
And that is a very good code to live by...... probably one I should heed.
I'm just too excited about finally making a dream come true and in a job space that will be exciting..... I guess everyone is getting dragged along ;-)
Your dream come true!! Your children might sound excited as you have painted it.
Our son was 14 when he arrived and left at 18 and he is painfully quiet and shy.

Think of your children and their education
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Education issues aside; I would have thought you would be able to take your cue from your daughter. You probably should have have a real heart to heart chat with your daughter highlighting the risks and benefits and implications of such a move and you'll likely find the answer from her.

She has a two ways to go - depending on what underlying issues I guess have caused her eating disorder; a change from the status quo for a more sporty / outdoors lifestyle and new friends might for example be exactly what she needs or it may be the last thing she needs right now.

You have to be careful in what 'promises' you make to her be they explicit or implied. e.g. If you are selling her an idea of perfect life in NZ, with sunshine and ponies and all that then you had better be able to deliver on that
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Originally Posted by MrsFychan
t if it is that specialised will it even be on the Skills Lists?
His post about his job offer would suggest so.

Originally Posted by imcaufieldholt
I have a job offer in Palmerston North at the University paying about $105k.
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Originally Posted by imcaufieldholt
Can you expand on the huge potential problem part?

I can appreciate that NCEA and iGCSE are different styles/content.
Do you mean that it would be better to forget the UK GCSEs and jump into NZ Year 10 in July, then do NCEA Level 1 in year 11?
Or do you mean find an iGCSE school, again repeat part of NZ Year 10 before taking iGCSEs in NZ Year 11?
Rather than do GCSEs in the UK then sit through the remainder of NZ Year 11 from July 2018 as catchup, and join the NCEA Level 2.
We did exactly this when we came over last May! our daughter was due to sit her first GCSE the next day but we spoke to the board here in NZ and they basically told us that there wasnt any point in her gaining GCSEs as they won't transfer to points over here! and it was the right choice, as the schooling is basically 6 months behind the UK here in NZ she was well ahead in the learning anyway she started half way through yr 10 on arriving and by the time they sat there NZQAs 5 months later she had nearly as many points as anyone else.
We also have a girl in yr 8 who at first was a bit frustrated as she had to go back to intermediate (sitting in one room, taught every subject by one teacher) when she had been at high school in the UK for 18mths! but now shes at high school she is very settled the other kids think its awesome that she can already speak 3 languages lol.
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Originally Posted by Bo-Jangles
She has a two ways to go - depending on what underlying issues I guess have caused her eating disorder; a change from the status quo for a more sporty / outdoors lifestyle and new friends.

You have to be careful in what 'promises' you make to her be they explicit or implied. e.g. If you are selling her an idea of perfect life in NZ, with sunshine and ponies and all that then you had better be able to deliver on that
Unfortunately that is not something he can promise and actually deliver. It would depend on the area, now know PN, and who's to say she will make friends. I know a family been here a year and there 12yr old has not made any and they are now returning to UK as it has not lived up to the hype.
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Originally Posted by MrsFychan
Unfortunately that is not something he can promise and actually deliver.
I know that, but I guess what I meant was don't make any false promises about how much better things will be in NZ, as that would be a recipe for disaster. I know someone that was in quite a similar situation that was held to the promise of ponies for everyone.
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From your first post you state you start your job on 3rd July, so you accepted the offer without a work visa or even knowing if you will actually be taking up the position? This I am assuming as I see no job vacancies on Massey for a specialised IT position paying that low a salary, actually no IT jobs above $68K

I would still be interested in the job title for an IT position that is so specialised that they could not fill by all the IT Professionals already in NZ.
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Originally Posted by MrsFychan
From your first post you state you start your job on 3rd July, so you accepted the offer without a work visa or even knowing if you will actually be taking up the position?
His first post stated he had a job offer with a start date, I've not seen that he has accepted. Tad accusatory tone???
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Originally Posted by MrsFychan
From your first post you state you start your job on 3rd July, so you accepted the offer without a work visa or even knowing if you will actually be taking up the position? This I am assuming as I see no job vacancies on Massey for a specialised IT position paying that low a salary, actually no IT jobs above $68K

I would still be interested in the job title for an IT position that is so specialised that they could not fill by all the IT Professionals already in NZ.
It might be doing something with this Jabba the Hut lookalike. Last I recall he was in NZ?

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Wow. Ok. I think I have fanned the flames somewhat.
To try and answer various points somewhat.
The job is $105+(a little), as I said, and was advertised as an Information Specialist, but the actual responsibilities are far ranging, so it is a very vague title. The specialism comes under the Other Spatial Scientist category in the skills shortage list.
The employer has known all along about my visa situation and daughter's situation and has never been an issue in my application.
Whilst we came to a point in negotiation which meant I had to accept the offer it was made clear that this is under the conditions of obviously obtaining a visa, but also that my family would be able to visit. Just the way we worked it, may not be everyones approach, but didn't seem to raise any eyelids.
We are flying out during half term, have a scout around to re-assure everyone and hopefully will be good to go.
No promises to daughter to anyone else on lifestyle, just discussion on the adventure of it all.
Actually in today's teenage tantrum moment daughter declared she was fed up with being consulted all the time. Fair enough.
I have spoken to the migration consultants from a previous post and they were very optimistic of success, so that looks good.
As for the schooling thing now, it appears from all the posts that the GCSE point is only of any value if it all goes pear-shaped and we return having been there for a year or less.
So thanks for all those who have fed constructive comments in and I have consulted wider, of course, all of which have been an equal mixed bag of do and don't do GCSEs.
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Originally Posted by imcaufieldholt
application.
I have spoken to the migration consultants from a previous post and they were very optimistic of success, so that looks good.
Lane Neave ? They know their onions and more.
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