Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
Originally Posted by Bo-Jangles
(Post 5543734)
You don't? I have no axe to grind either way, but the fact that there are so many things which are deliberately seperated which doesn't exactly suggest to me a nation of people going forwards as one. Just a few that come to mind:
And that is a big deal ???
It's not like the Maori are shunned away and forgotten about. There are issues The Maori do have but New Zealand in a whole try to resolve these issues. Obviously some ideas Maori have are a bit silly but in the whole we work, drink and play together with no real problems. |
Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
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Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
2 versions of the treaty - more than that. There is now basically 3 accepted versions of the Treaty.
1. English version 2. Maori version 3. And the one that is very interesting - the English translation of the Maori version. Problem is that there are a few very interesting words in the english version which mean something quite different. Gist of it - Maori were told they were conceding governance (kawanatanga). The English version said that they were conceding Sovereignty. Slight difference but important. Either way a founding document of this country was a bit screwy. Hehe no wonder we are all mad. Didn't stand a chance. Personally, i found NZ history very interesting because of the Treaty - NZ was one of the only countries in the world (if not the only one) where the colonising nation actually did organise a treaty with a national body of chiefs rather than people representing certain pockets of a country. This does however, kinda ignore the fact that some tribes didnt sign it. And there had already been a Declaration of Independence signed by some of the same and some different tribes a few years earlier. But oh well. they had different purposes. Personally, when a big group of a country (regardless of the country or the ethnicity) is overrepresented on the bad side of the ledger (low income, healthcare, prison etc) and underrepresented in others (education, stable income, housing etc) then I see no real reason not to support that group. Whether that is based on ethnicity, gender, socioeconomics or whatever. If a huge and overrepresented demographic of, for instance, older Maori women aren't getting breast screening treatment because they live out in the wops and can't get to a Base or city hospital or don't like someone they don't know examining them (and therefore are more likely to die), then I have no problem with targeting that group to fix the problem. Actually that is quite a real example from a few years ago - i think from the East Coast. Turned out by targeting the Maori women in the very rural areas it actually encouraged other rural women to get examined. What you will also find with many of those Maori services is that they are *not* exclusively for Maori, though the target audience is maori. A pakeha child can be enrolled in a kohanga reo or kura or a Pacific Island language nest (equiv. of a kohanga) if their parents choose to. In fact, my blond, blue eyed irish catholic (born Galway, came to NZ as a 2 year old) ex boyfriend started his NZ eduction at a kohanga reo instead of the local kindergarten. Obviously he wasn't my ex at the time... That would be weird :eek: Bit late at night so i am not quite thinking straight, but ya'll get my point hopefully. Oops sorry, i promised I would stop with the ranting and lectures didn't I? :embaressed_smile: Wait til i get started on the history of heating and insulation of houses in NZ and why there is such a problem. I am not kidding!!! :wink_smile: But it is too late and I am sleepy. |
Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
hi rob
good on you its always good to learn something new and especially doing it because you want to do it hope your course goes well :) with regards kirstie |
Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
Originally Posted by Kiwiprincess
(Post 5543590)
White or Non White? No don't like those terms at all. Doesn't say anything about you at all. Doesn't say that you are from NZ, from England, from Ireland or from Latvia. It doesnt say anything about a person's ethnic or national background.
Funnily enough the EXACT same argument is in Japan...they have the term 'gaijin' which means, depending on one's viewpoint, 'non-Japanese', 'non-human', or 'white guy we all envy' Seems similar here.... Again...surely the ideal situation is that people think of themselves as New Zealanders first, and then as their respective ethnic groups second....something which current news events and the whole 'pakeha-maori' thing suggests is not happening. Or is it more complicated than that? |
Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
Originally Posted by Ted Logan
(Post 5544063)
It's not like the Maori are shunned away and forgotten about. There are issues The Maori do have but New Zealand in a whole try to resolve these issues. Obviously some ideas Maori have are a bit silly but in the whole we work, drink and play together with no real problems.
Yes, it could never get as bad as Australia and the Aborigines.....could it? |
Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
Well they did stop shooting them in the 50's :ohmy:
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Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
Originally Posted by Avid
(Post 5548351)
R i g h t......so 'Pakeha' doesn't mean 'white'?
Funnily enough the EXACT same argument is in Japan...they have the term 'gaijin' which means, depending on one's viewpoint, 'non-Japanese', 'non-human', or 'white guy we all envy' Seems similar here.... Again...surely the ideal situation is that people think of themselves as New Zealanders first, and then as their respective ethnic groups second....something which current news events and the whole 'pakeha-maori' thing suggests is not happening. Or is it more complicated than that? When you meet New Zealanders overseas and ask them where they are from they will reply New Zealand. On further investigation they will tell you whether they are Maori or Pakeha. I for one, when asked, will say I'm a New Zealand Pakeha, I don't find it offensive. In all forms of news all over the world they identify people by race, nationality or even location. |
Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
Originally Posted by Ted Logan
(Post 5548382)
In all forms of news all over the world they identify people by race, nationality or even location.
While I've been busy debating the linguistic nuances of 'pakeha' the Maoris have been getting tooled up and are about to start WWIII if the headlines are to be believed... :ohmy::ohmy::ohmy::rofl: |
Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
Originally Posted by Ted Logan
(Post 5548382)
When you meet New Zealanders overseas and ask them where they are from they will reply New Zealand. On further investigation they will tell you whether they are Maori or Pakeha.
I for one, when asked, will say I'm a New Zealand Pakeha. Would imagine people overseas will ask what that means so what’s the point :confused: |
Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
Originally Posted by Campbells
(Post 5552175)
I thought the term Pakeha was only used in New Zealand ?
Would imagine people overseas will ask what that means so what’s the point :confused: :thumbsup: |
Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
Originally Posted by Campbells
(Post 5552175)
I thought the term Pakeha was only used in New Zealand ?
Would imagine people overseas will ask what that means so what’s the point :confused: |
Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
Originally Posted by Ted Logan
(Post 5555257)
So then you give them a bit of a run down about NZ and it's history. Not many people know much about NZ so I like to spread the word.
Mind the gap :lol: |
Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
Originally Posted by Ted Logan
(Post 5544063)
And that is a big deal ???
It's not like the Maori are shunned away and forgotten about. There are issues The Maori do have but New Zealand in a whole try to resolve these issues. Obviously some ideas Maori have are a bit silly but in the whole we work, drink and play together with no real problems. |
Re: I Enrolled on Mauri Ora course today
Originally Posted by Campbells
(Post 5555422)
I am from the Clan Campbell ( just incase you are interested ;)) and realised when I was in London that not too many English folk were interested in a Scottish history lesson !
Mind the gap :lol: Now if you said you were from Essex .......... :ohmy: :ohmy: |
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