How to change NZ?
Mar 19th 2008, 4:04 am
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Re: How to change NZ?
However, its no secret that I have raised your way of saying things as an issue. I hoped it might be taken as constructive criticism.Anyway, we're digressing and this jousting will only ever end up in the usual outcome.
On a not so serious note, does anybody know how easy it would be to set up an Immigrants for Progress political party - we would need to get 5% of the vote to get a party list seat, or alternatively we could focus on winning a single electorate. Which is most winnable - one on the North Shore, or Tauranga. Tauranga would be interesting (for obvious reasons) up against old Winston. Perhaps Nice Guy could fly back to be our charismatic leader
We could agree our manifesto by poll.
Mar 19th 2008, 4:09 am
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Re: How to change NZ?
if you have issues with Campbells do it in a PM, don't name call.
Mar 19th 2008, 4:12 am
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Mar 19th 2008, 4:14 am
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Mar 19th 2008, 4:22 am
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Re: How to change NZ?
Don't pull the disingenuous thing with me Southerner. 
Mar 19th 2008, 4:26 am
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Re: How to change NZ?
If Campbells or the mods think I've name called I'll apologise and edit my post. Can't say fairer than that.
Mar 19th 2008, 4:30 am
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Re: How to change NZ?
You do exactly what your conscience tells you to do 
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Mar 19th 2008, 7:24 am
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Mar 19th 2008, 8:00 am
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Re: How to change NZ?
Hey Southerner
Here you go
Something for your pet project
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10499176
Problem:
How to get the youth that are being allowed to kill themselves on the roads here – STOPPED.
Solution options:
• Get people to recognise there is a problem that needs attention – and fast.
• Compulsory insurance that is rated according to the drivers’ age, road skills and the power of their vehicle. After market modifications to the vehicle require an additional insurance inspection, compliance and will equate to higher rates.
• Stricter policing, that is anything that is better than the current invisible police force we have.
• Raise the driving age limit.
• Jail term sentencing for alcohol & driving related prosecutions. No more pizza & cotton wool.
• Speed bumps in all residential areas that are known to have hoon problems.
• New Zealand to upgrade their road system to this century if they are to have cars from this century driving on them in the hands of teenagers.
But first on the list:
• AN ENFORCED, REDUCED speed limits around all schools, pre-schools and children’s’ play areas.
Working solutions already in place that can be mirrored:
Many of the debates on this forum point to other countries and say well it happens there. So I will play that card – the UK.
Take example from the UK driving standards and approach to these matters it is a working example. In my opinion it works because the police and public don’t accept less
Here you go
Something for your pet project
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10499176
Problem:
How to get the youth that are being allowed to kill themselves on the roads here – STOPPED.
Solution options:
• Get people to recognise there is a problem that needs attention – and fast.
• Compulsory insurance that is rated according to the drivers’ age, road skills and the power of their vehicle. After market modifications to the vehicle require an additional insurance inspection, compliance and will equate to higher rates.
• Stricter policing, that is anything that is better than the current invisible police force we have.
• Raise the driving age limit.
• Jail term sentencing for alcohol & driving related prosecutions. No more pizza & cotton wool.
• Speed bumps in all residential areas that are known to have hoon problems.
• New Zealand to upgrade their road system to this century if they are to have cars from this century driving on them in the hands of teenagers.
But first on the list:
• AN ENFORCED, REDUCED speed limits around all schools, pre-schools and children’s’ play areas.
Working solutions already in place that can be mirrored:
Many of the debates on this forum point to other countries and say well it happens there. So I will play that card – the UK.
Take example from the UK driving standards and approach to these matters it is a working example. In my opinion it works because the police and public don’t accept less
Mar 19th 2008, 9:17 am
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Re: How to change NZ?
Hey Southerner
Here you go
Something for your pet project
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10499176
Problem:
How to get the youth that are being allowed to kill themselves on the roads here – STOPPED.
Solution options:
• Get people to recognise there is a problem that needs attention – and fast. Agreed
• Compulsory insurance that is rated according to the drivers’ age, road skills and the power of their vehicle. After market modifications to the vehicle require an additional insurance inspection, compliance and will equate to higher rates. Agreed
• Stricter policing, that is anything that is better than the current invisible police force we have. Police force invisible due to a severe shortage
• Raise the driving age limit. Won't happen
• Jail term sentencing for alcohol & driving related prosecutions. No more pizza & cotton wool. well ...... one rule for all then ?
• Speed bumps in all residential areas that are known to have hoon problems. Cost ?
• New Zealand to upgrade their road system to this century if they are to have cars from this century driving on them in the hands of teenagers. again, cost ?
But first on the list:
• AN ENFORCED, REDUCED speed limits around all schools, pre-schools and children’s’ play areas. This is happening, I've noticed the ads as well as seeing police outside schools with there speed guns
Working solutions already in place that can be mirrored:
Many of the debates on this forum point to other countries and say well it happens there. So I will play that card – the UK.
Take example from the UK driving standards and approach to these matters it is a working example. In my opinion it works because the police and public don’t accept less but there is a problem with 'boy racers' in the south coast and they seem not to do much about it. Though there is not the 'boy racer' problem in the UK as it is here, they do have however a big teen drink / chav problem
Here you go
Something for your pet project
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10499176
Problem:
How to get the youth that are being allowed to kill themselves on the roads here – STOPPED.
Solution options:
• Get people to recognise there is a problem that needs attention – and fast. Agreed
• Compulsory insurance that is rated according to the drivers’ age, road skills and the power of their vehicle. After market modifications to the vehicle require an additional insurance inspection, compliance and will equate to higher rates. Agreed
• Stricter policing, that is anything that is better than the current invisible police force we have. Police force invisible due to a severe shortage
• Raise the driving age limit. Won't happen
• Jail term sentencing for alcohol & driving related prosecutions. No more pizza & cotton wool. well ...... one rule for all then ?
• Speed bumps in all residential areas that are known to have hoon problems. Cost ?
• New Zealand to upgrade their road system to this century if they are to have cars from this century driving on them in the hands of teenagers. again, cost ?
But first on the list:
• AN ENFORCED, REDUCED speed limits around all schools, pre-schools and children’s’ play areas. This is happening, I've noticed the ads as well as seeing police outside schools with there speed guns
Working solutions already in place that can be mirrored:
Many of the debates on this forum point to other countries and say well it happens there. So I will play that card – the UK.
Take example from the UK driving standards and approach to these matters it is a working example. In my opinion it works because the police and public don’t accept less
but there is a problem with 'boy racers' in the south coast and they seem not to do much about it. Though there is not the 'boy racer' problem in the UK as it is here, they do have however a big teen drink / chav problem
Mar 19th 2008, 9:38 am
#57
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Re: How to change NZ?
Pretty poigniant for us as MrsL works with the sister of one of the kids killed last night on the Auckland roads. RIP.
Will thnk later about a response to the well thought out OP
Will thnk later about a response to the well thought out OP
Last edited by lardyl; Mar 19th 2008 at 9:43 am.
Mar 19th 2008, 9:44 am
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Re: How to change NZ?
replies in red above, good points on some.
Originally Posted by Campbells
Hey Southerner
Here you go
Something for your pet project
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10499176
Problem:
How to get the youth that are being allowed to kill themselves on the roads here – STOPPED.
Solution options:
• Get people to recognise there is a problem that needs attention – and fast. Agreed
• Compulsory insurance that is rated according to the drivers’ age, road skills and the power of their vehicle. After market modifications to the vehicle require an additional insurance inspection, compliance and will equate to higher rates. Agreed
• Stricter policing, that is anything that is better than the current invisible police force we have. Police force invisible due to a severe shortage
• Raise the driving age limit. Won't happen
• Jail term sentencing for alcohol & driving related prosecutions. No more pizza & cotton wool. well ...... one rule for all then ?
• Speed bumps in all residential areas that are known to have hoon problems. Cost ?
• New Zealand to upgrade their road system to this century if they are to have cars from this century driving on them in the hands of teenagers. again, cost ?
But first on the list:
• AN ENFORCED, REDUCED speed limits around all schools, pre-schools and children’s’ play areas.
This is happening, I've noticed the ads as well as seeing police outside schools with there speed guns
Working solutions already in place that can be mirrored:
Many of the debates on this forum point to other countries and say well it happens there. So I will play that card – the UK.
Take example from the UK driving standards and approach to these matters it is a working example. In my opinion it works because the police and public don’t accept less but there is a problem with 'boy racers' in the south coast and they seem not to do much about it. Though there is not the 'boy racer' problem in the UK as it is here, they do have however a big teen drink / chav problem
Originally Posted by Campbells
Hey Southerner
Here you go
Something for your pet project
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10499176
Problem:
How to get the youth that are being allowed to kill themselves on the roads here – STOPPED.
Solution options:
• Get people to recognise there is a problem that needs attention – and fast. Agreed
• Compulsory insurance that is rated according to the drivers’ age, road skills and the power of their vehicle. After market modifications to the vehicle require an additional insurance inspection, compliance and will equate to higher rates. Agreed
• Stricter policing, that is anything that is better than the current invisible police force we have. Police force invisible due to a severe shortage
• Raise the driving age limit. Won't happen
• Jail term sentencing for alcohol & driving related prosecutions. No more pizza & cotton wool. well ...... one rule for all then ?
• Speed bumps in all residential areas that are known to have hoon problems. Cost ?
• New Zealand to upgrade their road system to this century if they are to have cars from this century driving on them in the hands of teenagers. again, cost ?
But first on the list:
• AN ENFORCED, REDUCED speed limits around all schools, pre-schools and children’s’ play areas.
This is happening, I've noticed the ads as well as seeing police outside schools with there speed guns
Working solutions already in place that can be mirrored:
Many of the debates on this forum point to other countries and say well it happens there. So I will play that card – the UK.
Take example from the UK driving standards and approach to these matters it is a working example. In my opinion it works because the police and public don’t accept less but there is a problem with 'boy racers' in the south coast and they seem not to do much about it. Though there is not the 'boy racer' problem in the UK as it is here, they do have however a big teen drink / chav problem
Please take note - The title of the thread is
HOW TO CHANGE NZ
Pointing fingers at what is or is not in UK is the reason you moved back to New Zealand
Face it head-on
With reagrds to your "cost" comments on why it can't be done
Look at it as an investment
Life-saving investment
Make the country a better place investment
Does that change the outlook or will you still say
"It can't be done"
Ted, who is the negative one here
Mar 19th 2008, 9:56 am
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Re: How to change NZ?
It's realism.
Obviously this money is popping out of mid air to put all these matters right
Obviously this money is popping out of mid air to put all these matters right
Mar 19th 2008, 10:11 am
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Re: How to change NZ?
There’s that negative streak again mate
Just think how much money there WOULD BE if insurance was compulsory
Probably pay for decent roads AND a decent police presence
And that is just taking the GST component into account