How backward is New Zealand
Feb 2nd 2010, 4:26 pm
#16
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,298
Re: How backward is New Zealand
Hi
Someone asked me this week in a post how I could describe New Zealand as Backward. Can people help me explain as I have pondered on the subject for days
No choice in the supermarkets, if u want to home back u r ok, want a convenience meal forget it!
Education is appaling, my opinion of having 4 kids in the UK system then NZ
No expectations for kids to leave school and go to University
The people are NOT intelligent and to get an intelligent conversation is near on impossible
Health and Safety is a joke
Music is mostly american rap and NZ follow american culture
Wages are do not match expectations, therefore lifestyle you have previously had is no where in sight
The Kiwi's do not want progress especially in all the farms I visited
NZ is not safer than the UK in our experience
Drugs are a big acceptable part of their culture
The biggest suicide rate in teenagers is in NZ as the pressure on kids to go out and work to bring in money for the family, is a bigger pressure than getting a good education in the UK
College courses are few and far between
Being so far away from other countries, it has been left behind
The fact that there is no structure to society is very hard to work with, especially as the UK is so structured
Lots of Adults in NZ believe in being in gangs, which their kids follow.
This is not a england vs nz post, but I was asked my opinion and I am sure there are lots of people out there who can help me try to explain how lots of Brits find NZ backward
Someone asked me this week in a post how I could describe New Zealand as Backward. Can people help me explain as I have pondered on the subject for days
No choice in the supermarkets, if u want to home back u r ok, want a convenience meal forget it!
Education is appaling, my opinion of having 4 kids in the UK system then NZ
No expectations for kids to leave school and go to University
The people are NOT intelligent and to get an intelligent conversation is near on impossible
Health and Safety is a joke
Music is mostly american rap and NZ follow american culture
Wages are do not match expectations, therefore lifestyle you have previously had is no where in sight
The Kiwi's do not want progress especially in all the farms I visited
NZ is not safer than the UK in our experience
Drugs are a big acceptable part of their culture
The biggest suicide rate in teenagers is in NZ as the pressure on kids to go out and work to bring in money for the family, is a bigger pressure than getting a good education in the UK
College courses are few and far between
Being so far away from other countries, it has been left behind
The fact that there is no structure to society is very hard to work with, especially as the UK is so structured
Lots of Adults in NZ believe in being in gangs, which their kids follow.
This is not a england vs nz post, but I was asked my opinion and I am sure there are lots of people out there who can help me try to explain how lots of Brits find NZ backward
Feb 2nd 2010, 5:12 pm
#17
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Feb 2005
Location: Back in NZ & loving it - living in Orewa
Posts: 1,183
Re: How backward is New Zealand
I find it very ironic that someone who is clearly semi-literate describes a whole country as being unintelligent.
Perhaps now the OP has left these shores, the average IQ may have crept up an iota
Perhaps now the OP has left these shores, the average IQ may have crept up an iota
Feb 2nd 2010, 5:21 pm
#18
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 181
Re: How backward is New Zealand
have to say I agree this is a total crock of crap.
if being backwards isnt home baking and not eating ready meals then boy im dumb!
sounds to me that you must be having trouble getting all that sand out of your eyes and ears having had your head buried in it while here.
I cant be bothered to go over all the positives as iv'e done that before.needless to say some folk should never move here as if its the UK you want stay in the UK britain this aint thank heavens!
george
if being backwards isnt home baking and not eating ready meals then boy im dumb!
sounds to me that you must be having trouble getting all that sand out of your eyes and ears having had your head buried in it while here.
I cant be bothered to go over all the positives as iv'e done that before.needless to say some folk should never move here as if its the UK you want stay in the UK britain this aint thank heavens!
george
Last edited by george toni; Feb 2nd 2010 at 5:22 pm. Reason: spelin
Feb 2nd 2010, 5:22 pm
#19
Forum Regular
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 247
Re: How backward is New Zealand
WOW! That got people stirred up 
My husband and I have chosen to move to New Zealand partly because it hasnt progressed so much. We dont expect to come over and have a rich and easy life but we hope for a more simple, less crowded lifestyle. Where we are in good old Essex, every spare foot of land has a new house or block of flats going up which of course results in more and more people moving into the area. This whole country is going mad on regulations, health and safety, political correctness, fine you for this... fine you for that
I must say I have only seen a very small part of NZ and to read threads like that can be quite worrying. But lets face it there are good and bad people/areas wherever you go so I'll try not to panic
My husband and I have chosen to move to New Zealand partly because it hasnt progressed so much. We dont expect to come over and have a rich and easy life but we hope for a more simple, less crowded lifestyle. Where we are in good old Essex, every spare foot of land has a new house or block of flats going up which of course results in more and more people moving into the area. This whole country is going mad on regulations, health and safety, political correctness, fine you for this... fine you for that
I must say I have only seen a very small part of NZ and to read threads like that can be quite worrying. But lets face it there are good and bad people/areas wherever you go so I'll try not to panic
Feb 2nd 2010, 5:42 pm
#20
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: Top of the South
Posts: 348
Re: How backward is New Zealand
50% of NZ college students go on to university, not yours though heavenlyscent?? They would need a parent who could master a keyboard to do that.
I don't fancy American rap music either and as a previous poster said you can always change channels, but it doesn't make a place backward, just different. There is a very wide variety of radio stations available in this county.
Really to sum up your ill-conceived post what you're saying to me anyway is that you didn't fit in here, so returned to UK, well woopy doo. Hold the front page!
Feb 2nd 2010, 5:49 pm
#21
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,787
Re: How backward is New Zealand
50% of NZ college students go on to university, not yours though heavenlyscent?? They would need a parent who could master a keyboard to do that.
I don't fancy American rap music either and as a previous poster said you can always change channels, but it doesn't make a place backward, just different. There is a very wide variety of radio stations available in this county.
Really to sum up your ill-conceived post what you're saying to me anyway is that you didn't fit in here, so returned to UK, well woopy doo. Hold the front page!
and heavenly scent you do talk complete bollocks, if you actually watch music channels and take a interest in music you would see that its all type of music that's popular here, not just rap omg how blinkered!
and to complain about the lack of convienice foods just about sums up what type of person you are, good riddance i say!
Last edited by love30stm; Feb 2nd 2010 at 5:56 pm.
Feb 2nd 2010, 5:53 pm
#22
---
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,994
Re: How backward is New Zealand
Hahaha! The semi-literate first post made my husband and I laugh heaps, which is always good first thing in the morning.
Right, off to smoke some weed, swear at the kids to make sure they abandon their uni aspirations, do some home baking, have an unintelligent conversation with my neighbour, listen to some American rap and join a gang
Right, off to smoke some weed, swear at the kids to make sure they abandon their uni aspirations, do some home baking, have an unintelligent conversation with my neighbour, listen to some American rap and join a gang
Feb 2nd 2010, 5:56 pm
#23
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,787
Re: How backward is New Zealand
Hahaha! The semi-literate first post made my husband and I laugh heaps, which is always good first thing in the morning.
Right, off to smoke some weed, swear at the kids to make sure they abandon their uni aspirations, do some home baking, have an unintelligent conversation with my neighbour, listen to some American rap and join a gang
Right, off to smoke some weed, swear at the kids to make sure they abandon their uni aspirations, do some home baking, have an unintelligent conversation with my neighbour, listen to some American rap and join a gang
Feb 2nd 2010, 5:56 pm
#24
Forum Regular
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 127
Re: How backward is New Zealand
Hahaha! The semi-literate first post made my husband and I laugh heaps, which is always good first thing in the morning.
Right, off to smoke some weed, swear at the kids to make sure they abandon their uni aspirations, do some home baking, have an unintelligent conversation with my neighbour, listen to some American rap and join a gang
Right, off to smoke some weed, swear at the kids to make sure they abandon their uni aspirations, do some home baking, have an unintelligent conversation with my neighbour, listen to some American rap and join a gang
Feb 2nd 2010, 5:57 pm
#25
watch this space.......!!
Joined: Oct 2008
Location: Garden of England Kent England
Posts: 145
Re: How backward is New Zealand
Hahaha! The semi-literate first post made my husband and I laugh heaps, which is always good first thing in the morning.
Right, off to smoke some weed, swear at the kids to make sure they abandon their uni aspirations, do some home baking, have an unintelligent conversation with my neighbour, listen to some American rap and join a gang
Right, off to smoke some weed, swear at the kids to make sure they abandon their uni aspirations, do some home baking, have an unintelligent conversation with my neighbour, listen to some American rap and join a gang
gosh!
Feb 2nd 2010, 5:59 pm
#26
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,787
Re: How backward is New Zealand
Hahaha! The semi-literate first post made my husband and I laugh heaps, which is always good first thing in the morning.
Right, off to smoke some weed, swear at the kids to make sure they abandon their uni aspirations, do some home baking, have an unintelligent conversation with my neighbour, listen to some American rap and join a gang
Right, off to smoke some weed, swear at the kids to make sure they abandon their uni aspirations, do some home baking, have an unintelligent conversation with my neighbour, listen to some American rap and join a gang
Feb 2nd 2010, 6:35 pm
#27
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Feb 2008
Location: Rotorua
Posts: 410
Re: How backward is New Zealand
Oh dear, maybe I'm backward, quite possibly I am because I actively dislike convenience foods, give me home cooking any day, and alongside that I like being able to buy fresh fruit and vegetables in season....not out of season asparagus from peru or green beans from Kenya all year round, as you can in the UK.
By coincidence I had a friend visit yesterday, he's a dairy farmer in Yorkshire who happens to be visiting on holiday here, and we talked a bit about dairy farmer over here. Now I barely know one end of a cow from another, but I work in a predominantly farming community so I know a tiny, tiny amount about farming here, so we had an interesting discussion about some of the differences in practices, batch calving, share milking etc.....overall those innovations work well here because of the size & style of farming, and because such a large proportions of milk are processed and exported rather than being kept for the liquid milk market. Not better, not worse, not even backward...just different, and more in keeping with the market demands in NZ.
Education...well both of my children appear to be doing OK. The style of learning is different, but they appear to like it. Son just started year 13, & we're looking at his & the school's expectations for next year. He, & the school want uni, it seems to be within his grasp, and I'm the one hesitating because I'm completely opposed to the belief system that says uni at any cost to take some meaningless degree and end up with student loans, huge debt & overqualified. But the pressure is there to go to university for sure...and if he wants to take a degree that will offer him good, secure employment after...then university will be an option for him.
Oh, and of course I live in Rotorua....and gues what. I'm very, very happy here. Thanks.
But some of the problems you describe do exist. Absolutely. Within a certain sector of society who happen to be well represented in Rotorua. But there are disaffected, lazy, unmotivated, ill educated, drug taking, 3rd generation state beneficiaries louts world wide. I've met a few of them in the UK, and sure I've met a few of them here too. They exist, I agree, but they don't really impinge on my life too much.
Gangs...for sure, they're around too. But they're not interested in me, or mine, nor am I interested in them. Black Power, Mongrel Mob, Tribesmen et al are well represented in Rotorua. But they're pretty much exclusively Maori and they're too busy picking fights with each other to worry about me. Fortunately
NZ isn't for everyone, Rotorua too isn't for everyone I happen to actually like the cultural diversity here and have made some great friends, but I agree it has it's problems. It just happens that I prefer, on the whole, the lifestyle here...and I can tolerate those problems without getting too worked up about them.
Just as an aside. I used to visit a Maori gentleman every Friday lunchtime. Every time I arrived there he was watching The Jeremy Kyle Show
. He took great pleasure in teasing me about my "countrymen" and how all Brits must be like that 
I refuse to take that as a true representation of the British people...just as I disagree with the OPs sweeping generalisations about NZ, even though I do accept that there are some elements of truth there about some sectors of NZ society.
By coincidence I had a friend visit yesterday, he's a dairy farmer in Yorkshire who happens to be visiting on holiday here, and we talked a bit about dairy farmer over here. Now I barely know one end of a cow from another, but I work in a predominantly farming community so I know a tiny, tiny amount about farming here, so we had an interesting discussion about some of the differences in practices, batch calving, share milking etc.....overall those innovations work well here because of the size & style of farming, and because such a large proportions of milk are processed and exported rather than being kept for the liquid milk market. Not better, not worse, not even backward...just different, and more in keeping with the market demands in NZ.
Education...well both of my children appear to be doing OK. The style of learning is different, but they appear to like it. Son just started year 13, & we're looking at his & the school's expectations for next year. He, & the school want uni, it seems to be within his grasp, and I'm the one hesitating because I'm completely opposed to the belief system that says uni at any cost to take some meaningless degree and end up with student loans, huge debt & overqualified. But the pressure is there to go to university for sure...and if he wants to take a degree that will offer him good, secure employment after...then university will be an option for him.
Oh, and of course I live in Rotorua....and gues what. I'm very, very happy here. Thanks.
But some of the problems you describe do exist. Absolutely. Within a certain sector of society who happen to be well represented in Rotorua. But there are disaffected, lazy, unmotivated, ill educated, drug taking, 3rd generation state beneficiaries louts world wide. I've met a few of them in the UK, and sure I've met a few of them here too. They exist, I agree, but they don't really impinge on my life too much.
Gangs...for sure, they're around too. But they're not interested in me, or mine, nor am I interested in them. Black Power, Mongrel Mob, Tribesmen et al are well represented in Rotorua. But they're pretty much exclusively Maori and they're too busy picking fights with each other to worry about me. Fortunately
NZ isn't for everyone, Rotorua too isn't for everyone I happen to actually like the cultural diversity here and have made some great friends, but I agree it has it's problems. It just happens that I prefer, on the whole, the lifestyle here...and I can tolerate those problems without getting too worked up about them.
Just as an aside. I used to visit a Maori gentleman every Friday lunchtime. Every time I arrived there he was watching The Jeremy Kyle Show
. He took great pleasure in teasing me about my "countrymen" and how all Brits must be like that I refuse to take that as a true representation of the British people...just as I disagree with the OPs sweeping generalisations about NZ, even though I do accept that there are some elements of truth there about some sectors of NZ society.
Feb 2nd 2010, 6:59 pm
#28
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Mar 2009
Location: Christchurch
Posts: 2,077
Re: How backward is New Zealand
I will go with the load of bollox as well, the pace of life may be a little slower here but u have the same oportunities as any other westernised country
I do quite like the idea of joining a gang, will there be cake ? home baked of course
Neil
I do quite like the idea of joining a gang, will there be cake ? home baked of course
Neil
Feb 2nd 2010, 7:00 pm
#29
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,208
Re: How backward is New Zealand
Blimey - I'm glad you're not my kids' English teacher!
Joke, joke ...
Joke, joke ...
Feb 2nd 2010, 7:23 pm
#30
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Nov 2007
Location: homeless
Posts: 1,756
Re: How backward is New Zealand
seriously,,, think I would discuss about this subject with my old Brit mate (a lecturer at Vic) this morning - gotta have crap coffee with him soon in town. It would be interesting.
Last edited by crap coffee; Feb 2nd 2010 at 7:27 pm.