Enough to drive you crazy!! MUST be entitled to work in NZ!!
 

It's driving us mad!!!:eek:
Like a lot of OP we are trying to find work in NZ from the Uk and it is really difficult. The prob we are having is that all jobs seem to say that you need a work permit etc to even apply. Even the Government jobs and accredited employers say this. :mad:
Why isn't there more awareness of the fact that employers can offer a job and then arrange the work permit? It feels like a near impossible job to get around this.
My OH has applied for loads of jobs - he has received initial interest UNTIL they learn he does not yet have a work permit even though we are constantly told that they need people.
Is this the case if you actually go to NZ or do you still come up against the same if you are there on a visitor's visa?

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I think it's just a risk avoidance thing - there is a risk that if you recruit someone from overseas, they won't actually show up, for whatever reason, when they are due to start work. If they don't have a visa/permit, the risk is increased. I work for the government and recruited someone from UK a year or so ago. We agreed a start date, far enough away for her to sell house, relocate etc. I waited, with a gap in my team, for 4 of the 5 months I had allocated her before she phoned me to say she no longer wanted to emigrate. So, I start the whole process again.
I'm not saying you would do this, this is just my experience and there are probably others with the same. I'm not saying I wouldn't recruit from overseas again, but given the choice of a candidate in NZ, I would choose him/her.

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Hi there,don't know if all employers are like this,it depends on your line of work...My OH was interviewed via video link,offered the job and accepted it, all before we even submitted anything to immigration..That with the health service over here..gl with your search...Jacky

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I don't think it's that fact that we are here that is putting employers off I think it is the fact that my OH does not have a work visa. I suppose it would help show commitment if we were in NZ but wouldn't get round the prob of not having the required permit.
As I said they are initially interested until they find that he doesn't have a work visa.
It is a catch 22 as we can't get a job without a visa and no visa without a job.
I guess his line of work is not in demand enough. :(

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Hi Dezza

I can understand your frustrations with the situation especially when NZ is so chronically short of skilled labour.

My advise to you is, if you can afford to, for your OH to come over for a reccie and line up some interviews whilst here.

I know it is very costly but from an employers point of view, it shows a committment and speaking from a personal point of view, it does brings results.

I think if you were to run a poll, the majority of people, with the exception of health professionals, have found their jobs here by doing a reccie.

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Also bear in mind that many jobs require you to be a citizen or have residency so a WV might not be enough. Lots of the Govt. specialists are like that. Personally I'd be aiming for PR if you can as some jobs/roles might not even land you a WV before you come. Besta luck! :)

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Hi Dezza - I feel your pain I really do. As an advertiser of jobs here in NZ, I get myriad of people applying from all over the world for the jobs I look to fill.

The one thing you can do with any potential employers is to be up front about your situation, and then offer a solution. The worst thing is to 'pretend' you are in NZ, or have a work permit for NZ, until you get an email inviting you to an interview when you have to fess up and it all falls apart. I know it sounds daft but so many people do this!

The very BEST thing to do on application for a position is to give a brief run down of why you would be perfect for the job, your current situation regarding emigration (house up for sale? flights booked? EOI completed?), followed by: 'I can be interviewed by telephone, my references can be contacted at (x) o'clock on (y - include international dialling codes) number, and if offered a position with you I can be in NZ by (z) date. All I need from you is an offer letter you can fax or email to me and I will undertake the rest of the process.'

Firstly, it shows you are serious about coming to NZ, and secondly if gives them a definite time frame to work to. Yes, you will still get a bundle of rejections, but you may also get a couple of tentative enquiries and then it is up to you to turn these into offers.

Good luck!

Wiz

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Kev&Sarah, I didn't realise you guys were in Blenheim! Hello over there! I'm waving from my window! Can you see?

Anyway, onto topic, I completely agree with what these guys have said. We're currently experiencing that problem with our new country of choice and people tell us over and over that we need to be there. Its a show of commitment being in the country, and you can wow them with your personality. Lardyl mentioned govt depts, is that what you're looking at? Presumably its not healthcare because they'd grab you up without even reading your cv! My advice to you would be to try sending a cv, with a cover letter, saying when you intend to arrive in NZ. This would indicate that your intention to be here is commited. As Lapsed Kiwi quite rightly said its one hell of a risk for employers, so you can't really blame them for shutting you down. Try to avoid getting into discussions about visas, etc. This way, during a face-to-face interview you can go armed with how easy it is. I'm currently hiring someone from overseas, but I don't care for the visa bit, I'm not interested and I don't want the hassle. So the person is sorting it all out and they've got a time frame to work within. I would imagine most people would think that way, especially corporate companies. It may seem like you're hitting your head against a brick wall, but this is where it comes down to those that are truly commited and find a way and those that don't. If you can plan a reccie here, and pre arrange some interviews, go for it. Are there not any temporary work permits you can get without a job offer? Just wondering if that was an option?

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Littletoe is right - temp permits could include working holiday visa (for young folks) and specialist ones for seasonal workers - but as I recall they were being cracked down on my the Govt. check out NZIS for all that.

The govt. jobs I went for after arriving included Dept of Labour (OSH inspector) and they required PR/citizenship.

Health sector will bite your arm off but you will still need a job offer and a employer form to get the work visa, even if you are on long term skills shortage list - as MrsL was. The visas process really quickly and almost all do phone interviews and refs.

I lost out on a job when we came to a SA guy who came over worked for 2 months and then high-tailed back to SA, shows why employers are retiscent to take on a random person from overseas.......;)

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[QUOTE=lardyl;6321152]Littletoe is right -
Why thank you!

The govt. jobs I went for after arriving included Dept of Labour (OSH inspector) and they required PR/citizenship.

Hmm, I also fancied myself a nice govt job but found that PR, but mostly citizenship was a prerequisite. However, apparantly there was a recruitment drive not long ago for the Dept of Corrections. So there could be the possibility of that sort of route. Have you looked at the government websites? There must be someone on here that came via that route, come on people!

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No hard feelings littletoe? ;)

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Never :p

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:p

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The one thing you can do with any potential employers is to be up front about your situation, and then offer a solution. The worst thing is to 'pretend' you are in NZ, or have a work permit for NZ, until you get an email inviting you to an interview when you have to fess up and it all falls apart. I know it sounds daft but so many people do this!

The very BEST thing to do on application for a position is to give a brief run down of why you would be perfect for the job, your current situation regarding emigration (house up for sale? flights booked? EOI completed?), followed by: 'I can be interviewed by telephone, my references can be contacted at (x) o'clock on (y - include international dialling codes) number, and if offered a position with you I can be in NZ by (z) date. All I need from you is an offer letter you can fax or email to me and I will undertake the rest of the process.'

Firstly, it shows you are serious about coming to NZ, and secondly if gives them a definite time frame to work to. Yes, you will still get a bundle of rejections, but you may also get a couple of tentative enquiries and then it is up to you to turn these into offers.

Good luck!

Wiz[/QUOTE]



I think being totally upfront is the way to go. Unfortunately we can't even put in an EOI until we have the job offer as OH has no relevant quals only experience but hopefully that is a small detail that will be overlooked! Thanks everyone for your advice - esp Wiz - some really useful points. :thumbup:

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