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Old Dec 14th 2021, 12:10 am
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Seems this has just become an extension of the CORONAVIRUS thread that was closed some weeks ago πŸ˜’

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Old Dec 14th 2021, 1:10 am
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So far the severity of symptoms seems mild and, as a result, NHS hospital capacity has not been adversely impacted. Ditto South Africa, there has been an explosion in people reporting flu like symptoms but hospitals have not been inundated.

I, cautiously, see Omicron as a welcome development. What's been really frightening about Delta has been its severe symptoms, like many I'd been fearful for New Zealands healthcare system heading into winter which seems to be when cases accelerate rapidly. Frankly I doubt that New Zealands healthcare system could have coped with Delta next winter. Luckily we may not have to find out of Omicron is allowed to out-compete it.
1 death already reported in UK from Omicron, nursing staff refusing to go back on to Covid wards, and who can blame them. 3 cases of Omicron in MIQ in NZ. So guessing not at all good for anyone
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1 death already reported in UK from Omicron, nursing staff refusing to go back on to Covid wards, and who can blame them. 3 cases of Omicron in MIQ in NZ. So guessing not at all good for anyone
3 in MIQ NZ gees not good at all 😩
not good either with the nurses refusing to go back to the covid wards. I feel for everyone
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Old Dec 14th 2021, 8:58 am
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1 death already reported in UK from Omicron, nursing staff refusing to go back on to Covid wards, and who can blame them. 3 cases of Omicron in MIQ in NZ. So guessing not at all good for anyone
Not unexpected, Omicron makes up about 20% of cases in England and Wales now.

Bloomberg has some interesting statists courtesy of South African insurance providers:
If you index the course of the wave against delta, omicron is up to 60% of the delta peak but just 20% of hospitalizations. Deaths haven’t really taken off.
They add that 70% of hospitalisations are prevented by a double shot of Pfizer. Then go on to say that while hospitalisations and deaths are low compared to previous variants there is a very low probability that if Omicron transmission where to keep accelerating for a few months it may cause a problem for healthcare capacity but this is an unlikely scenario.

Edit to add chart illustrating cases, admissions and deaths have decoupled in South Africa:


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Posted in another thread but UK is going to be removing red list countries ( 11 of them ) back into the fold
Angola, Botswana, Eswatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, Nigeria, South Africa, Zambia and Zimbabwe are on the list.


New Zealand will clamp down hard on the UK I think πŸ˜ͺ

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Posted in another thread but UK is going to be removing red list countries ( 11 of them ) back into the fold Angola, Botswana, Eswatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, Nigeria, South Africa, Zambia and Zimbabwe are on the list. New Zealand will clamp down hard on the UK I think πŸ˜ͺ
The question is only one of if New Zealand wants Omicron now or later. We can only delay what is inevitable, it doesn't look to me like there is any reason to do so. We already have the more deadly Delta variant.

I did hear that New Zealand put its order in for that Pfizer retroviral which is good news as well. That's good because it was one of two drugs that can substantially reduce the probability of hospitalisation and reduce deaths.
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The question is only one of if New Zealand wants Omicron now or later. We can only delay what is inevitable, it doesn't look to me like there is any reason to do so. We already have the more deadly Delta variant.

I did hear that New Zealand put its order in for that Pfizer retroviral which is good news as well. That's good because it was one of two drugs that can substantially reduce the probability of hospitalisation and reduce deaths.
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Have to say firstly I really enjoy your thoughts posts and explanations /clarifications -Thank you πŸ™‚
Will be interesting to see which way NZ goes for sure but they do seem to just lock everything down. Short term great, long term not so good and surely not sustainable.
That being said though with ( in this case) the UK relaxing their rules it’s going to go nuts. I don’t think NZ will want the UK in would they ? (Agree inevitable omicron will get in at some stage)
Will be really interesting to see what happens come Jan when the borders open between Aus and NZ.

fantastic news about the retroviral pill πŸ™‚πŸ‘πŸ‘


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For god's sake give it a rest. It's been the same crap for almost 2 years now.
Everyone is fully aware of exactly what's going on.
Start another thread instead of highjacking others. That way the the rest of us will know which one to avoid if we don't want a daily dose of virus updates ramming down our throats.
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Actually the UK is a real outlier at the moment when compared to the EU or US. For some reason they've got really worked up about this despite no evidence of a new wave of hospitalisations either in the UK, US or South Africa. Even the head of the South African Medical Association described the UK response as "hysterical".

A few governments need to sit down with a nice cup of tea and a biscuit, review the data being published and have a think. In wanting to be seen to be "doing something" by closing borders and requiring testing they've worked themselves right up. Hopefully they will start to go the other way now and remove restrictions.

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For god's sake give it a rest..
I'd go along with that.


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Actually the UK is a real outlier at the moment when compared to the EU or US. For some reason they've got really worked up about this despite no evidence of a new wave of hospitalisations either in the UK, US or South Africa. Even the head of the South African Medical Association described the UK response as "hysterical".

A few governments need to sit down with a nice cup of tea and a biscuit, review the data being published and have a think. In wanting to be seen to be "doing something" by closing borders and requiring testing they've worked themselves right up. Hopefully they will start to go the other way now and remove restrictions.
I said this to you the other day.
Its the numbers the UK government are worried about.
just say the new variant has 30% less hospitalization but its spreading 10x faster. over all your going to have a hell of alot more hospitalizations due to the sheer volume of cases.
most covid cases on the record in the UK since covid began today.

Same as you are still having 50k delta cases per day in the UK and it has plateu out for the past 4 months.
now you have the extra omicron variant on top of the plateu number of delta at 50k. so you have two endemic viruses going on it the same time.

that is why they are panicking about it.
They don't want a mess and try be ahead of it and pushing the booster vaccine asap.
there hasn't been any restrictions in the UK since May. only just started wearing masks again would say about 50% of people are wearing them.

to be honest i would take south Africa data with a pinch of bumb fluff out my arse.

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Actually the UK is a real outlier at the moment when compared to the EU or US. For some reason they've got really worked up about this despite no evidence of a new wave of hospitalisations either in the UK, US or South Africa. Even the head of the South African Medical Association described the UK response as "hysterical".
The UK government really needs something to divert attention away from themselves right at the moment. The latest crisis response might do the trick.
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The UK government really needs something to divert attention away from themselves right at the moment. The latest crisis response might do the trick.
how Boris is still in a j9b after the last month's nonsense is a joke.
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Omicron is less dangerous than the common flu. You are being played.
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Omicron is less dangerous than the common flu. You are being played.
I've been watching the hospitalisation numbers and deaths in the UK but there doesn't seem to be any perceptible increase since the first case was discovered three weeks ago (27/11.)

​​​In terms of New Zealand border policy messaging is also unclear. The Prime Minister said one day that they would review the data that was available in January but her Health Minister said "Flyer beware" the next day which panicked travellers and airlines. So...wait and see I suppose.
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