Do you really want to come to NZ?
#46
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Re: Do you really want to come to NZ?
I don't think many 'defend at all costs' , certainly no worse than many British people. I'd hope to be able to back up any of my opinions of the place.
What is annoying though, really annoying in fact, is that the British that come here (and remember they have a much superior education ) tens of thousands of kilometers from home and they expect it to be utopia. And when they get here they whinge and complain as if the UK is perfect. They can't even get their basic research right.
And perhaps it is also the sheer nastiness and vitriol, let alone the exaggeration and hypocrisy, that accompanies many of these opinions that gets peoples defences up.
I think the truth is they are angry at themselves for screwing up so take it out on NZ.
What is annoying though, really annoying in fact, is that the British that come here (and remember they have a much superior education ) tens of thousands of kilometers from home and they expect it to be utopia. And when they get here they whinge and complain as if the UK is perfect. They can't even get their basic research right.
And perhaps it is also the sheer nastiness and vitriol, let alone the exaggeration and hypocrisy, that accompanies many of these opinions that gets peoples defences up.
I think the truth is they are angry at themselves for screwing up so take it out on NZ.
or are you just deaf or blind? or don't go out on NZ streets/read the papers/ watch TV, etc.......???
Come on and back up those opinions with some facts......
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Re: Do you really want to come to NZ?
I can't back them up with facts, although if you really wanted I could set up webcams at my various relatives places in Auckland and you can judge for yourself the boy racer problem.
In the vast majority of suburban streets in Auckland boy racers are just not a problem. Plenty of loud exhausts around sure, but if anything NZ drivers drive me to frustration because they drive so slowly and so incompetently.
In the vast majority of suburban streets in Auckland boy racers are just not a problem. Plenty of loud exhausts around sure, but if anything NZ drivers drive me to frustration because they drive so slowly and so incompetently.
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Errrrr, by 'slowly', you wouldn't mean they drive the speed limit, would you? That really seems to tick a few people off here, eh! I love how you can get tailgated here when you're doing the speed limit, then have 'the finger' waved at you as the tailgater passes you - funny thing is when it happens in your neighbourhood and the finger waver, now ahead of you, turns into the street you live on and pulls into a drive a few houses up from yours....
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Errrrr, by 'slowly', you wouldn't mean they drive the speed limit, would you? That really seems to tick a few people off here, eh! I love how you can get tailgated here when you're doing the speed limit, then have 'the finger' waved at you as the tailgater passes you - funny thing is when it happens in your neighbourhood and the finger waver, now ahead of you, turns into the street you live on and pulls into a drive a few houses up from yours....
Don't get me started on lane discipline and undertaking.
#50
Re: Do you really want to come to NZ?
Three points......
to drive these machines legally in the UK the chavs need insurance - in NZ they do not
driving a car in NZ can start at 15 and at that age there is strong temptation to go out unaccompanied, etc (as happened almost fatally on the shore where those kids got hit by an unaccompanied hoon in a dodgy Celica, or similar) and so this brings down the age that teenagers get behind the wheel and drive dangerously, itself pretty universal....
as others have said there seem to be far more *older* drivers of larger engined or souped up or silencer-free vehicles than there were in the UK - maybe this is some result of there being more Hoons per head of population here so it becomes culturally acceptable......??
just my 2 cents.......
to drive these machines legally in the UK the chavs need insurance - in NZ they do not
driving a car in NZ can start at 15 and at that age there is strong temptation to go out unaccompanied, etc (as happened almost fatally on the shore where those kids got hit by an unaccompanied hoon in a dodgy Celica, or similar) and so this brings down the age that teenagers get behind the wheel and drive dangerously, itself pretty universal....
as others have said there seem to be far more *older* drivers of larger engined or souped up or silencer-free vehicles than there were in the UK - maybe this is some result of there being more Hoons per head of population here so it becomes culturally acceptable......??
just my 2 cents.......
wots that then? a law or sommit?
they might need insurance but that doesn't mean they have any, hey just drive them illegally...... a huge number of drivers in the UK are without insurance.
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And what's the penalty for driving around in an unlicensed, uninsured, no MOT car? The police crush it and they go out and buy another £300 bomb.
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My daughter was hit by an uninsured driver he was fined £100 and 100 hours community service. He also had no road tax.
June
#53
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Every insurance company here has to pay into the Motor Insurance Bureau so that if you are in an accident with an uninsured vehicle you claim off them. This adds approx £50 to every UK persons insurance so in a round about way they are insured its just that such as myself have paid for it.
My daughter was hit by an uninsured driver he was fined £100 and 100 hours community service. He also had no road tax.
June
My daughter was hit by an uninsured driver he was fined £100 and 100 hours community service. He also had no road tax.
June
TBH though simply spatting back by saying "well how better is it that you have a law that makes Third Party insurance compulsary - beacuse some people flout it" is the typical one-eyed approach and would not cut it with most Kiwis - well not the ones in the motor trade, police, fire service, ACC and insurance that I have talked to about the absence of compulsory insurance...several in the trade have suggested tagging this onto the rego like they do in Ozzie, doubt you pro-Kiwi zealots would like that though, can't have the Australians having "better ideas", at least you can't admit it on a public forum.
Margaret it is just a debating point that shows the poster just wants to take a pop at anything different and try to sidestep the real point - having no requirement for insurance means that kids driving big, dangerous, fast cars they cannot handle is more likely than were there to be a scale of insurance based on age, engine size, etc.......
as a matter of fact there are further measures other than crushing the car available for serial traffic criminals in the UK - I used to work with the lawyers that prosecuted and defended those cases so I know a little about the subject - "just" crushing the car is a pretty direct one, and one that NZ has taken on board for hoons and the like - but wait a minute, that can't be right must have been a Kiwi idea first........ yeah right.......
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Re: Do you really want to come to NZ?
yikes and I'm sure a large number of drivers in NZ disobey, ignore or flout the law - many of them certainly can't drive for toffee, if you are considering road position, lane discipline, common courtesy or taking road conditions into account as some of the key driving skills....but that is another debate and an old one.......
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Hi there have you contacted your councils noise control division? It must really suck big time having to put up with that or alternatively go and have a chat with your community constable and ask what can be done...There must be something these jumped up little s**** shouldnt be allowed to be causing the amount of misery that they are.
All the best
Cally
All the best
Cally
Anyway, lets not pretend this is confined to my street. Everywhere in NZ is plagued with these noise heaps.
There is even a political lobby group "trying" to do something about it:
http://www.noiseoff.org.nz/
I quote them:
"Almost every community in New Zealand now suffers the effects of excessive noise from deliberately modified vehicles.
The noise is harmful and completely unnecessary. It should be illegal.
Right now, hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders are regularly disturbed by the noise epidemic.
The problem extends far beyond homeowners and road users – it now impacts on business and tourism.
Restaurants and Cafes are losing customers.
Angry tourists are checking out of hotels.
The clean green image of New Zealand is going up in smoke. And political parties are failing to act."
#56
Re: Do you really want to come to NZ?
I am a real petrolhead and belong to several motoring forums in the UK - those of you that don't think they exist in the UK are totally deluded. Chavved-up Corsas, Saxos, Imprezas, BMWs etc are all over the place and are driven by complete window lickers.
This is the first time I've even heard it being a problem in NZ (I know there have been problems with illegal drags and teens gathering in cars but that is normally in industrial areas)
This is the first time I've even heard it being a problem in NZ (I know there have been problems with illegal drags and teens gathering in cars but that is normally in industrial areas)
Well, we can only go on what we observe.
And the parts of the UK Im from, Ive heard hardly any offensively loud vehicles, compared to anywhere in NZ where they are absolutely everywhere. Ive been back every year for the last 4 years, and travelled around a bit.
Im beginning to think that my UK root is obviously a much nicer area than NZ or parts of the UK. More reason to go back there.
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And they are everywhere.
I dont care if they are tripping down to their local dairy and back at 60kph, they make far too much noise doing it and it is unnecessary.
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Every insurance company here has to pay into the Motor Insurance Bureau so that if you are in an accident with an uninsured vehicle you claim off them. This adds approx £50 to every UK persons insurance so in a round about way they are insured its just that such as myself have paid for it.
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Re: Do you really want to come to NZ?
methinks that there is a little "cross purposes" going on here - some posters are equating "boy racers" to literal "Need for Speed"-type events and Browner is objecting to the general noise made by hoons in modded/clapped out cars, some of which are being driven at excessive speed. That is a problem throughout NZ and the standard of maintenance of the vehicles the absence of much obvious enforcement and the trend to get a bigger exhaust, be it to impress the ladies/make up for certain deficiencies, etc all contribute to this anti-social behaviour. Down with Hoons , up with nice quiet and safe streets . All power to Browner and his lobbying mates.