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Old Feb 10th 2012, 9:58 am
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The Herald are running a series of articles under the heading of 'Divided Auckland'; just thought I'd put them up here for perusal. May go some way to explain why expats and Kiwis alike have such divided opinions on the place.

The growing gap between rich and poor has made an extra one-sixth of Aucklanders truly "tenants in their own country".

No doubt someone will be along in a moment to tell us how much worse it is in the UK, but never mind.

Divided Auckland: More become tenants in own city

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10784060

AFFORDABILITY
What you can afford with your income:
$66,000 buys a $264,000 house.
$93,500 buys a $374,000 house.
$143,000 buys a $572,000 house.
$450,000 current median price Auckland home.
Source: Auckland Council

Divided Auckland: Renting trend to last for decades

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10784056

Divided Auckland: Overcrowding a hotbed for infections

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10784294

Divided Auckland: Schools reaching out to most vulnerable

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10784480
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I ain't skinting myself for a drafty single glazed wobbly oversized dog kennel.

It's bonkers.

Hopefully the property bubble will burst, it can't carry on. Fuel prices are rising, living costs are rising, wages are still poor, not many get yearly wage increases, the cost of borrowing will rise. House prices can't keep rising.

Considering giving my Jafa status up and heading to Mullet Island.
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I ain't skinting myself for a drafty single glazed wobbly oversized dog kennel.

It's bonkers.

Hopefully the property bubble will burst, it can't carry on. House prices can't keep rising.
Don't underestimate the determination of govts and central banks to keep it going.
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Surely it's the natural order/tendency in a society for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer. It's always been like that, everywhere. And societies like the UK, NZ, Aus are possibly the most egalitarian countries around.
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Worse in the UK? No. About the same.

List of countries (among OECD) with the greatest gap between rich and poor.
1) Hong Kong
2) Singapore
3) U.S.
4) Israel
5) Portugal
6) New Zealand
7=) Italy
7=) Great Britain
9) Australia
10) Ireland

No doubt countries like India, Brazil, Argentina ... would be at or near the top if included.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pf_article_107980.html

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Inequality across the world is rising fast, says a new report out today from the OECD which shows it getting worse. This OECD report actually shows both UK and Australia worse than NZ in terms of inequality.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...y-report-uk-us
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auckland house prices will never fall, or if they do not by much.
Even in todays climate when prices and rents around the country have fallen Aucklands have continued
to increase. The rate of increase may slow for a period of time but it will continue to climb.
As people realise they desirable suburbs are out of reach they look around for others to colonise
and the the process begins again.
I've said before that Birkenhead (which is already already well on its way) and Beach Haven will be the next big things
in the property markets. close to the water, lots of nice views, cheap houses and sections and easy access to ferries for the CBD
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Divided Auckland: Mind the widening gap... a tale of two cities

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10783636

Divided Auckland: NZ tax on rich among lowest in the world

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10783837
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I disagree Col

One of the main reason Auckland still functions well is because the working man can still afford fuel to travel around the city, in 15-20 years when oil is unaffordable by the average man in the street cities like Auckland are destined to fail. Unless mass transit is quickly sorted out this city is in for some serious problems.

I think in the sort term the property bubble will continue, just like other cities n countries around the world but one thing is for sure. It'll eventually catch up and burst.

Suburbs are reliant on transportation, Auckland only has one form of mass transit. It's still shocks me that the North Shore isn't on a train line and it must be the only major city in the world that has an international airport with no rail links, just more and more roads.
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Originally Posted by barnsleymat
I disagree Col

One of the main reason Auckland still functions well is because the working man can still afford fuel to travel around the city, in 15-20 years when oil is unaffordable by the average man in the street cities like Auckland are destined to fail. Unless mass transit is quickly sorted out this city is in for some serious problems.

I think in the sort term the property bubble will continue, just like other cities n countries around the world but one thing is for sure. It'll eventually catch up and burst.

Suburbs are reliant on transportation, Auckland only has one form of mass transit. It's still shocks me that the North Shore isn't on a train line and it must be the only major city in the world that has an international airport with no rail links, just more and more roads.
Same as Melbourne, no major train link to the airport - in any other country it would be called corruption when various private companies are making millions from extortionate parking, bus services and taxis, and as long as that happens the politicians won't do anything as they are all mates.

Also the vast majority of airports in the US do not have trains. It's pretty clear that NZ is based more on the US than Europe in this respect. i.e. car based society, with good reason I think too, as both are not high-density living.

In any case, would a rail link to Auckland Airport actually be of any use? It doesn't take that long to get to the airport, and people would just have to drive to the station anyway. You could argue that better public transport would enable people to get to that central station to get to the airport, but then who wants to carry luggage everywhere. And is there the volume of commuters that could justify it?

Cars will be around for a long time - either with different fuel types or electric

One thing I do not understand is the rentals in Auckland and how people can afford them. Just ridiculous for a nice house in a nice area, especially compared with salaries.
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Have you seen the topography of Auckland, its all very steep hills in every direction from the water front, not ideal for a rail link to anywhere
but i get your point
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But they keep building motorways that in 20 years will be empty. There's a reason Hydrogen n Battery cars aren't on our roads, it's not a economical form of transport. Until they stop building roads and start building mass public transport Auckland has a very uncertain future. The north shore bus lane is a piss poor attempt at mass transport, to be future proof buses will need to be 100 metres long to take everyone that normally uses cars.

Great news for the UK was the High Speed Rail plans, here in NZ they're still only electrifying one cities commuter rail system system. To get from my house in Hendo into town takes 50+ minutes on the train, when electrofied it'll still take 45 minutes when it's actually a 15 drive.

Maybe that's the reason the city planners realise this as they've said the urban sprawl can't continue to creep. But the only way to bulk up population density is high rise and compact housing and we've moved here to get away from problems such projects create.
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Bio fuel, they'll forgo planting things we can eat for planting things to get us around.
I wouldnt worry about the roads being empty, it'll never happen
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With the global population growing there no way they could grow enough crops to supply enough fuel, that's unless everyone suddenly goes vegetarian.

Some say peak oil has happened, oil prices certainly suggest this as they keep high even through a continued global economic crisis.

The one great thing for NZ is 75% of electricity generated is done with renewable sources.

Road use will slowly decline, it can't continue like it is, there's no cheap fuel sources left like Oil.

When the US economy gets back online and the US dollar strengthens the price of a litre of petrol will go sky high in NZ. That's unless the Arabs start selling Oil in a different currency, but if that happens WW3 will begin.

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Maybe we'll go back in time & start using horse-drawn carriages. Of course the hoons will be on their un-wofed, unregistered super-charged 2HP chariots AND without insurance


You wait & see So the roads will still be busy just covered in hoss-shit!
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