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Old Jul 6th 2009, 9:31 pm
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Read article in daily mail about nz goverment effectivly sending people back to uk, even though employers are crying out for skilled people, but goverment still say no, has any one seen this in nz, or read article??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????

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Read article in daily mail about nz goverment effectivly sending people back to uk, even though employers are crying out for skilled people, but goverment still say no, has any one seen this in nz, or read article??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????

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Hi,

I know the family they are refering to.

Unfortunately with the current climate in New Zealand, if you are here on a workpermit and lose your job(as he did) or reapply for your workpermit and are not in a job which is in demand (ie a kiwi could do it) then there is a fair chance you will not be given another workpermit.

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Theres another thread on this subject

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=618517

I suspect that there's more to this case than meets the eye.

But it goes to prove that you should NEVER gamble you savings, home and prosperity on the strength of a work permit.

Just remember that a work permit is a TEMPORARY permission to stay in NZ in order to work. It does not infer any right to stay here for ever.

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Tough times...

Within my company, some people are still waiting to hear about renewal of their work permits. 3/4 months after applying for renewal... So they can not work... No work = No money! Although they have not been refused (yet) they may just end up going home as they can't stay forever without any money coming into their bank accounts...

Unlike the UK, you can not work here if your permit has expired and not received an answer on your application,

Tough times... Tough times...
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Hi guys,

Is this just affecting people on work visa's of does it affect you if you are are permenant resident, although we can't apply yet, oh is worried we'd go out there to a job someone changes ther mind and there you are up s**t creek without paddle!!!!!!!! Which is worrying, seems if got secure job in uk, is it worth the risk in current climate.

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Is this just affecting people on work visa's of does it affect you if you are are permenant resident, although we can't apply yet, oh is worried we'd go out there to a job someone changes ther mind and there you are up s**t creek without paddle!!!!!!!! Which is worrying, seems if got secure job in uk, is it worth the risk in current climate.

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To the best of my knowledge its those on working visa's, as they are dependant on the employer with regards to the visa being valid, if you have permanent residency then you have it job or no job. If I am wrong someone with far greater knowledge will be along to correct me.
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To the best of my knowledge its those on working visa's, as they are dependant on the employer with regards to the visa being valid, if you have permanent residency then you have it job or no job. If I am wrong someone with far greater knowledge will be along to correct me.
You're quite right. Permanent Residence is PERMANENT, job or no job.
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Reading those mean spirited readers comments at the end of the article reminds me of exactly why I chose to leave the UK in the first place!
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Originally Posted by jjthefridge
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Read article in daily mail about nz goverment effectivly sending people back to uk, even though employers are crying out for skilled people, but goverment still say no, has any one seen this in nz, or read ?
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Yes JJ . I think we have all been treated to several readings of this sensationalist , article.

The article mentions one family. One family !

I'm afraid I have a rather cynical view of this article but as there are more than one thread about this, I won't bother to spout off here.


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Within my company, some people are still waiting to hear about renewal of their work permits. 3/4 months after applying for renewal
Is this with an accredited employer Matewx?
What type of work are these people doing would you say.

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Reading those mean spirited readers comments at the end of the article reminds me of exactly why I chose to leave the UK in the first place!
Those comments come from people residing in several countries. Not just the UK.
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Originally Posted by jjthefridge
Hi guys,

Is this just affecting people on work visa's of does it affect you if you are are permenant resident
This isn't 'affecting people on work visa's per se. That makes it sound like all those on work visas or permits are all about to be kicked into touch.

This could affect someone on a temporary work permit if they lose their job , as a temporary work permit is tied to that job.

Being a permanent resident means just that.
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BEVS - what about PR granted with reliance on a job offer (for points or processing speed) if that job is lost within the first three monts......? A case of "permanent" not being quite permanent?

Maybe better in this climate not to link to a job offer if you can - jobs are going even in the "safe" areas of govt./health.

Not good.

BTW, we have friends in Aus who have not bothered with PR as they pay less tax on work visas. Although their work is very specialised they could be sweating if things continue to go downhill......
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BEVS - what about PR granted with reliance on a job offer (for points or processing speed) if that job is lost within the first three monts......? A case of "permanent" not being quite permanent?


In those cases the PR is conditional , under section 18a of the Immigration Act . The main applicant is required to stay in employment for 3 months. This should ordinarily be with the NZ employer nominated in the PR application . The PR hasn't actually been granted until that has been fulfilled.
Lose that job & one is in the soft and smelly unless one can find another job = to the one lost.

Lose the job offer during the PR application, then lose the points.

As you quite rightly point out. All jobs are gold dust at the present time. This is recession after all.

Section 18A of the Immigration Act

Section 18A of the Immigration Act gives the New Zealand Immigration Service the power to apply conditions to a Residence Permit. Generally, these conditions will be drawn from our residence policy at the time you apply. Such conditions can include remaining in employment or keeping invested funds in New Zealand for a period of time.


BTW, we have friends in Aus who have not bothered with PR as they pay less tax on work visas. Although their work is very specialised they could be sweating if things continue to go downhill......
Fingers crossed for them then.
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Is this with an accredited employer Matewx?
What type of work are these people doing would you say.
Yep accredited, Hospitality industry...
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Those comments come from people residing in several countries. Not just the UK.[/QUOTE]


Which reminds me why I don't read usually read anything from the Daily Mail!
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