LegalEagleTX

Your papers please.

MrsFychan

anyone having difficulties getting their vaccine Pass you can call the Covid Vaccine Booking Line on 0800 282926, they can can access your booking profile and request your pass, atm only via email as the postal service one experienced some problems and is being updated. You will need to be able to access your email account whilst on the call as a verification email is sent with a code you will need to give to the booking advisor, then you will get another email with your Pass which is a .pdf. This can be downloaded to a Iwallet or GooglePay if you access you email on your phone, or printed off and added to your phone via scan of photo.

Please be aware when these come into affect and the system is working on premises you will need to scan the Pass as well as the Tracer App to enter.

Charismatic

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chocolate cake

Hi Bo-J, my mistake as regards terminology I was referring to the same thing, I've certainly no desire to try international travel at the moment, and then join the continuing MIQ lottery to get back in

I have since got the pass emailed. For domestic travel (possibly excluding domestic flights, haven't looked in detail at Air New Zealand's full changes), it will only be needed until 17th Jan, as effectively then there is no Auckland border, in one of the less clear points from Monday's podium.

With the vaccine pass available, there is no proper reason now, given we know the Auckland wall is in place for another 26 days yet, that Auckland shouldn't be moving to the Red traffic light now. Auckland DHB 90% double jabbed today, the other two DHBs above where many of the DHBs are likely to be when overall these Traffic Lights come in to place on 15th December, and in the Red Traffic Light at least, the main privileges are only for double jabbed.

It's the inconsistency, and it's clear that the PM still blames Auckland for not getting on top Delta. Hamilton this week moved to Level 2, which I actually agree with, but the logic not there from the PM and the govt. Supposedly it was because CV19 under control in Waikato, and Hamilton's high vaccination rate. Well Auckland's vaccination is more than equal than that of Hamilton, and 20 cases the day preceding release, another 30 today in Waikato hardily reveal it being under control, with total active cases in Waikato 214.
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/...-current-cases

Really it's beyond time, to be giving some privileges/incentives to the vaccinated, and let some of these businesses closed for 94 days some chance to open.
Sydney/NSW started opening a month ago, and they've not had the explosion in cases that we were being warned about, indeed the opposite, and a number of days this month less than NZ daily cases.

Still with CV19 delta cases now beginning to crop up elsewhere (Tauranga, Thames, Wellington, and Christchurch etc. in the last couple of days) perhaps some appreciation in the Wellington beltway of the inevitable. I suspect Minster Robertson who visited Auckland yesterday for the first time, with excuse to skip Friday's podium session, may regret his childish covid for christmas rant (to the tune of on the first day of christmas...) in the beehive back in September. As it is with one of antigen tests that are being dissuaded by the govt, he'd have no problems getting a timely negative test allowing him to be back in the Beehive today.

Also while we don't know which light Auckland will be entering the traffic lights at yet, seems strange that's being assumed that it will be red. Current situation seems to more amber,

That one seems a bit odd, the double scan. I wonder how much longer the tracer app will continue with the Vaccine Pass?

Timmy Chch

"Auckland will initially move into Red, the highest level in the traffic light," Ardern said
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/17/n...ore-christmas/
Although yes this might change but cindy been quite clear on this

chocolate cake

Thanks for the link, yeah seem to make it up as they go along.
From the same site, one of the PM’s favourite experts, Level 4 Circuit breaker Hendy, warning ‘Auckland can expect to send quite a period of time at red traffic light’
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/18/a...-at-red-hendy/
though he’s seems unaware that passports were being released that day.
Might help also to read the TL protection screen levels.

Charismatic

The problem I see is that if Auckland goes to "Red" what will we do when the major Covid-19 ramp starts in Autumn? We know there is a seasonal component and need measures available to deal with that. I also noticed the government back-tracked on border reopening today.

Justcol

Meanwhile at Britomart

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Charismatic

Interesting segment in The Lancet pointing out that stigmatising the unvaccinated was unhelpful because, as we've known for a while now, being vaccinated doesn't really impede the spread of the virus substantially.

LegalEagleTX

Demonising the unvaccinated also ignores the science that those who have previously had Covid have natural immunity which is often more effective than any vaccine https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...ccine-mandate/. Until vaccine mandates exclude those with high antibody counts it is all a load of bollocks.

Pom_Chch

That's flawed logic though. In order to build immunity you need anti bodies right? Would you rather have anti bodies from getting the virus and becoming sick (or worse) or having an injection that gives you the antibodies? At least here in NZ we have low numbers of COVID so giving the virus to the population to give them anti bodies instead of a vaccine seems a bit extreme. Plus antibodies through a vaccine or from having the virus decreases after a while so someone who had it a year ago won't now be protected.

LegalEagleTX

Not as flawed as thinking a vaccine doesn't decrease over time. My point being that however you are immune, whether through a vaccine or natural immunity, that should be recognised, as opposed to a blanket vaccine mandate. Nothing flawed in this.

Charismatic

The UK has looked pretty stable so far, we know from immunological surveys that 90-95% of the population in the UK have Covid-19 antibodies. In New Zealand we have about 76% of the population vaccinated so we have a little way to go before the situation stabilises. It shouldn't be as tough as the UK last year though because vaccination rates among the most vulnerable are quite high.

My main concern is still having a stable situation heading into the second half of this year because we know colder weather vastly accelerates the spread. Reopening borders before Christmas, as per governments announcement yesterday, seems very prudent (although ideally we'd normalise the international border heading into summer as well.) We have to gove the health services the best chance heading into winter.

Justcol

My son has had covid. He contracted it while waiting for his age group to become eligible for a vaccine. As a result he has only needed one jab, so it seems there is a recognition if natural immunity. It's just not as easily traceable or everyone who doesn't want a jab would say they've had it and recovered

LegalEagleTX

Antibody tests are available. Naturally it cannot be left to individuals to self certify they are immune. I've had Covid twice, once in January 2000 after a visit to the U.S. embassy in London and again in August 2021 in Texas. Everyone I know has had it, including several with co-morbidities. It was a nasty version of the flu. The sad part is that a lot of people in NZ are so scared of it, they believe they will drop dead if they catch it. Thankfully in Texas we have moved on, and Texas companies are banned from mandating vaccines and schools are banned from requiring masks. Sad to see where NZ is at.