garethwm

I think at the top of any country's to-do list during a pandemic would be 1) Keep the Prime Minister / President safe. 😀 Of course then there was Boris who famously went to a hospital and announced he had shaken hands with everybody and then shortly after was in ICU himself with Covid. 😕

BEVS

Yes. Absolutely.

Justcol

I don't think the modeler's have been close to reality once.
I'd rather put my trust in a magic 8 ball

BEVS

Yes. Also for West Coast which people are still without basic needs and homes and other rotten events where people are still suffering re. Xch quake even. Yet some moan about loss of amenity ? I csn only think they are removed from some realities.
Husband and crew are now mobilised today and tomorrow here at Top of the South.
Way to go alll the guys wamting more open borders and freedoms for a bluddy latte and a whoppee with pals
Ugh. How to infect a country and all for the sake of months.
Should have held firm Not bowed to private sector pressure and pleasures.
Please please no death and infirm. Just for the sake of what?

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BEVS

That bad ?

Charismatic

The system, as its proposed, isn't confusing. Government has more data than us plebs so I assume they have this modelled out. As long as we are on-track for reopening I think we're headed in the right direction.

Great to see Auckland at 93/80% first/second dose, ready for reopening.

Clappy

The vaccination figures are good for the central city but not quite so brilliant once the Waitamata (Northern suburbs and Western Suburbs) and the Counties Manukau (Southern suburbs and Eastern suburbs) dhbs are included.
dhb map here https://www.health.govt.nz/new-zeala...boundaries-map

I am not feeling hopeful about any reopening happening any time soon. But at least we will get a better idea of how big the vaccination hesitancy really is.

Charismatic

Can Auckland area reopen independent of adjacent regions? As I understood it the traffic light plan was based on regional management.
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Bo-Jangles

Auckland can go to red at anytime as soon as 90% vaxxed in all three of its DHBs - which could be within 3 to 4 weeks if enough folks are invested in getting there sooner rather than later. The rest of the country starts at orange once all the other 17 DHBs reach 90%.

I am not sure what difference there is between current Level 2 and Orange for the rest of the country - I doubt that the incentive to vaccinate and move to Orange is quite as compelling as it is for Auckland to move from Level 3.1 to Red.

All of the above relies on there being some form of vaccination passport / certificate system in place for Code Orange and for people to be able to get out of Auckland for Christmas.

Clappy

The way that Auckland is arranged I think makes it impractical to treat the three different dhb areas independently. It is quite normal for a person to live in one of the dhb areas and commute daily to another dhb area for work.

chocolate cake

Those not finding the Friday's traffic light podium confusing, I'd guess a minority that didn't need to listen to the government's explanations for the remainder of the day, that they were still tidying the next morning. It's a pity we not all so bright

Might be simple enough when we get to these Traffic Lights, but getting there not clear, and there's little incentives for most of the country to nudge them to the traffic lights, with Level 2 being little different from Amber.
The anti-vaxers certainly better suited to holding out, and every incentive to encourage their mates, in the absence of deadlines.

Auckland can be released from Level 3 Stage 1, to it's own red traffic lights only when 90% of it's 3 DHBs double vaxxed, so that's not soon . In the unlikely event we reach that before the next review, the famed vaccination passports won't be ready, having been delayed from, should be available late October, start of November, middle of November and at Bloomfield's interview earlier in the week end of November, and in some replies Friday beginning and middle of December. The govt have had all year to work on a vaccine passport, indeed our vaccine strollout started in February, and heaps of countries already have them.

The podium had it's usual self congratulation mode, world leading etc. unfortunately that was last year. For all the talk of get out and get vaccinated, the reason Auckland isn't 85% double vaccinated now (given that's higher than single vaccination), is not so much because people have been slow to be vaccinated, is again because the roll out was so slow in the first place.

I wasn't suggesting she go around shaking hands, don't think that allowed under Level 2 even, or in Amber and Red in the traffic lights
I don't think we can keep the PM in her bubble permanently, she's fully vaccinated for instance, and it must be ever so dangerous the Australians allowing Scott Morrison to go to Cop26 in Glasgow. Though if that's reason enough to stop close friend James Shaw and his mates going there, then I've no complaints

I'm pleased it's all fine n dandy in Level 2 world, it's not about lattes.
Once again Delta didn't enter NZ because of public sector pressure and pleasures, it came through MIQ. It was though inevitable at some stage.
Being sitting ducks with 20% vaccinated, we had no alternative to go into strict lockdown back in August.
Our plan B, being go with more of plan A, and delays there sees Super Saturday vaxathon in week 9 of lockdown, and finally targets without dates in Week 10.

Auckland's (and indeed Hamilton and West Waikato in Level 3 currently, without even Stage 1 privileges, though v slight chance of going to Level 2) certainly locked down for a minimum 5 weeks, I suspect there may be some pressure for changes then, or at least by christmas holidays.
As even if it's out and in its own traffic lights then, the Auckland wall will still be in place, and the chance of all the other DHBs reaching 90% double vaxxed this year, mightily slim given where some of them are, even now in single vaccinated rates.

That's what traffic light podium lacked, hope and no privileges for the double vaxxed while we wait for the last man standing to be dragged over. There's many suburbs Auckland already at high 80% near 90% double jabbed, yet they can't meet except in double bubbles outside on picnics or BBQ limited to 10. Presumably we will be able to the Covid 19 Protection Framework, difficult to find a link to that actual level even on govts CV19 website.

With regards 80%, 85%, 90%, 95% and listening to these experts, there is no agreed figure, the modelers would have us 100% and us locked up in Level 4 until then. Even with 100% vaccinated these vaccines aren't like polio and smallpox vaccines that manage eradication, there will still be some spread, they are though the best we have unless and until someone develops something better.

Unfortunately in NZ we need to prepare ourselves for more CV19 cases throughout NZ. I don't see overall merits in South Island isolating itself entirely from North Island as suggested by the local Kaikura MP.

Justcol

Some areas will never reach 90%. How long is she prepared wait, blaming the reopening delay on others, because that's what was really behind this. Shifting the blame from the govt to the people

Charismatic

It seems to me that every DHB catchment will have these issues with creating internal borders. Auckland just has more.
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Bo-Jangles

I'm no IT specialist but it don't take long for the COVID scanning tech to get up and running, they have the technology and you can already log in and view your record here and request a letter if needed: https://app.covid19.health.nz/
One must remain optimistic that we will be freed before Christmas in order to protect the much famed Kiwi civil right to a good summer, or there will be a riot.

Pom_Chch

I have vaccine proof with one click of a button stored on the front page of my phone. It's not in app form yet (coming soon), only on the website. You can all get it too:

https://app.covid19.health.nz/