Chauvinism in New Zealand Society
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I actually think the sex symbol thing can be of great use to the male society especially in an instructional capacity such as one i posted eslewhere on the forum, but hey why not repeat here.....
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Hmmm.....I think you need to see a doctor? or maybe you could ask your wife? (don't suffer in silence)
I was talking with a group of friends about the original subject of this thread a few days back.
We came to the conclusion that perhaps the demeaning and negative attitude towards females in NZ has a relation to the high incidence of domestic violence against women and children in the country. It's an interesting thought.
I was talking with a group of friends about the original subject of this thread a few days back.
We came to the conclusion that perhaps the demeaning and negative attitude towards females in NZ has a relation to the high incidence of domestic violence against women and children in the country. It's an interesting thought.
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I'm amazed this thread hasn't run wild with approval from the female coffee morning brigade yet but i guess there's time for the fuse to burn.........
Do you really see your life here as a female as one of having to suffer a 'demeaning and negative' attitude toward you.........?
Or are you overly sensitive...........?
Maybe there's a correlation between the 'shrinking violet', struggle to fit in, don't say much to anyone, 'need a friend so badly', 'send me some karma' females and those that subsequently feel what they perceive as the 'demeaning and negative' attitudes?
Equally maybe those women who just get on with life and deal with things and people positively and assertively don't............??
I'll stand back and wait for the bang.........
In some parts of the world it would seem you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't in trying to deal with womens 'equality"
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Do you really see your life here as a female as one of having to suffer a 'demeaning and negative' attitude toward you.........?
Or are you overly sensitive...........?
Maybe there's a correlation between the 'shrinking violet', struggle to fit in, don't say much to anyone, 'need a friend so badly', 'send me some karma' females and those that subsequently feel what they perceive as the 'demeaning and negative' attitudes?
Equally maybe those women who just get on with life and deal with things and people positively and assertively don't............??
I'll stand back and wait for the bang.........
In some parts of the world it would seem you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't in trying to deal with womens 'equality"
BBC News
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Now I know what Avid meant by "Pussy whipped"
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Do you?
Would that alleiviate your feelings of being demeaned and treated negatively if you achieved the state you're referrng to with your partner?
Maybe you are a 'high maintainence' female who men have to alter their lives for.....who knows?
Or was that just a quip to get the last word whilst avoiding the content?
Don't panic i'm sure you'll get some karma (whatever the hell its meant to be) soon............
Would that alleiviate your feelings of being demeaned and treated negatively if you achieved the state you're referrng to with your partner?
Maybe you are a 'high maintainence' female who men have to alter their lives for.....who knows?
Or was that just a quip to get the last word whilst avoiding the content?
Don't panic i'm sure you'll get some karma (whatever the hell its meant to be) soon............
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Time to put the big Welsh stirring spoon away for now and go to the beach with the kids.....its a beautiful day.
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Must say that since we've been here 2 years I don't notice it so much
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There was a bit of a delay in me replying to you niseysOH because I had work to attend to .
My last comment was an attempt to use humour to let you off the hook.
Reading between the lines of what you've written on this thread you come across as a man who admires his wife a lot and is rightly proud of her. She's achieved a lot in your life hasn't she. (She called Nisey by any chance?)
However, the male chauvinist in you resents the fact that she is the breadwinner in your household, you are very much in her shadow and you feel subsumed by her. Even your username suggests this. No guesses as to who "wears the trousers" in your house .
You mention that you are Welsh? there aren't many Welshmen that I know of that would feel proud of the fact that their wife supports them so I can see where you're coming from.
You present as showing resentment towards women because of your own perceived inferiority to them. Your way of dealing with this is to attack any woman who attempts to call into question your maleness or potency. A typical response from a man who feels threatened by an assertive female - I see it all the time.
But you do have the right to air your views on this public forum, however misguided they may be, and it was interesting to watch you throw your toys out of the pram.
If your walk on the beach has cleared away your testosterone fuelled frenzy (joke) you may want to contribute to this thread in a useful way, please feel free to do so. In the meantime perhaps you should contact the forum admin and ask for your own username?
BTW "Mr Nisey", the "shrinking violet" comment was sarcasm .
My last comment was an attempt to use humour to let you off the hook.
Reading between the lines of what you've written on this thread you come across as a man who admires his wife a lot and is rightly proud of her. She's achieved a lot in your life hasn't she. (She called Nisey by any chance?)
However, the male chauvinist in you resents the fact that she is the breadwinner in your household, you are very much in her shadow and you feel subsumed by her. Even your username suggests this. No guesses as to who "wears the trousers" in your house .
You mention that you are Welsh? there aren't many Welshmen that I know of that would feel proud of the fact that their wife supports them so I can see where you're coming from.
You present as showing resentment towards women because of your own perceived inferiority to them. Your way of dealing with this is to attack any woman who attempts to call into question your maleness or potency. A typical response from a man who feels threatened by an assertive female - I see it all the time.
But you do have the right to air your views on this public forum, however misguided they may be, and it was interesting to watch you throw your toys out of the pram.
If your walk on the beach has cleared away your testosterone fuelled frenzy (joke) you may want to contribute to this thread in a useful way, please feel free to do so. In the meantime perhaps you should contact the forum admin and ask for your own username?
BTW "Mr Nisey", the "shrinking violet" comment was sarcasm .
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Exactly the same thing happened to me when we first arrived. Couldn't believe I was treated like that. OH thoughtfully suggested the salesman was trying to make him feel more involved in the conversation. B*ll*cks :curse:
Must say that since we've been here 2 years I don't notice it so much
Must say that since we've been here 2 years I don't notice it so much
Funniest incident I had was actually back in Britain when I had to waddle onto a building site when I was 8 months pregnant to sort out a problem with some plans. Some hairy @rsed, potbellied goon stage whispered to his mate "BIG girl" so I shouted back "Yes mate! but I'm pregnant - what's your excuse?!""
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There was a bit of a delay in me replying to you niseysOH because I had work to attend to .
My last comment was an attempt to use humour to let you off the hook.
Reading between the lines of what you've written on this thread you come across as a man who admires his wife a lot and is rightly proud of her. She's achieved a lot in your life hasn't she. (She called Nisey by any chance?)
However, the male chauvinist in you resents the fact that she is the breadwinner in your household, you are very much in her shadow and you feel subsumed by her. Even your username suggests this. No guesses as to who "wears the trousers" in your house .
You mention that you are Welsh? there aren't many Welshmen that I know of that would feel proud of the fact that their wife supports them so I can see where you're coming from.
You present as showing resentment towards women because of your own perceived inferiority to them. Your way of dealing with this is to attack any woman who attempts to call into question your maleness or potency. A typical response from a man who feels threatened by an assertive female - I see it all the time.
But you do have the right to air your views on this public forum, however misguided they may be, and it was interesting to watch you throw your toys out of the pram.
If your walk on the beach has cleared away your testosterone fuelled frenzy (joke) you may want to contribute to this thread in a useful way, please feel free to do so. In the meantime perhaps you should contact the forum admin and ask for your own username?
BTW "Mr Nisey", the "shrinking violet" comment was sarcasm .
My last comment was an attempt to use humour to let you off the hook.
Reading between the lines of what you've written on this thread you come across as a man who admires his wife a lot and is rightly proud of her. She's achieved a lot in your life hasn't she. (She called Nisey by any chance?)
However, the male chauvinist in you resents the fact that she is the breadwinner in your household, you are very much in her shadow and you feel subsumed by her. Even your username suggests this. No guesses as to who "wears the trousers" in your house .
You mention that you are Welsh? there aren't many Welshmen that I know of that would feel proud of the fact that their wife supports them so I can see where you're coming from.
You present as showing resentment towards women because of your own perceived inferiority to them. Your way of dealing with this is to attack any woman who attempts to call into question your maleness or potency. A typical response from a man who feels threatened by an assertive female - I see it all the time.
But you do have the right to air your views on this public forum, however misguided they may be, and it was interesting to watch you throw your toys out of the pram.
If your walk on the beach has cleared away your testosterone fuelled frenzy (joke) you may want to contribute to this thread in a useful way, please feel free to do so. In the meantime perhaps you should contact the forum admin and ask for your own username?
BTW "Mr Nisey", the "shrinking violet" comment was sarcasm .
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I've never been to Oz and have zero desire to. The men there is one reason for that.
I feel sorry for you.
I've fronted a band before now, and I drink beer. And it doesn't bother me one single iota that beer is marketed towards its main consumer group. Bit a bit daft otherwise wouldn't it? Some would say stupid.
Ding ding!
Hee hee brilliant!
I have to agree! I'm one of two senior developers in my team, out of six developers. I also came straight in at the senior level too. I can honestly say, hand on heart, that I have experienced zero chauvinism at work. Being susceptible to chauvinism is also in the woman's mind, too, mustn't forget.
Same here! Hubby is a SAHD and runs daughter to school every day and picks her up. He gets her lunch ready and takes her to playgrounds afterwards. I am actually a little envious as I'm in the office, but that she has one of us taking care of her (we're very fortunate in that!) means the world to me. He goes out to band practice twice a week during the week, too, so that gives me some one-on-one time. And no, I don't start reading her any Germaine Greer.
Good one congrats!
I feel sorry for you.
I've yet to land in NZ (we are due on Jan 25th) but I can testify that when I lived in Australia 10 years back the ads were unintentionally hilarious.
The Toohey's beer adverts epitomised the macho world they tried to create where true blue Aussie males were united by the amber nectar. If I remember rightly it went something like
'whether you're shovelling sand, or fronting a band, only Toohey's will do'
They were quite keen on giant billboard posters of sweatly labourers dreaming of beer too - do you get that in NZ??
The Toohey's beer adverts epitomised the macho world they tried to create where true blue Aussie males were united by the amber nectar. If I remember rightly it went something like
'whether you're shovelling sand, or fronting a band, only Toohey's will do'
They were quite keen on giant billboard posters of sweatly labourers dreaming of beer too - do you get that in NZ??
Funniest incident I had was actually back in Britain when I had to waddle onto a building site when I was 8 months pregnant to sort out a problem with some plans. Some hairy @rsed, potbellied goon stage whispered to his mate "BIG girl" so I shouted back "Yes mate! but I'm pregnant - what's your excuse?!""
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She's achieved a lot in your life hasn't she. (She called Nisey by any chance?)
However, the male chauvinist in you resents the fact that she is the breadwinner in your household, you are very much in her shadow and you feel subsumed by her. Even your username suggests this. No guesses as to who "wears the trousers" in your house .
You mention that you are Welsh? there aren't many Welshmen that I know of that would feel proud of the fact that their wife supports them so I can see where you're coming from.
You present as showing resentment towards women because of your own perceived inferiority to them. Your way of dealing with this is to attack any woman who attempts to call into question your maleness or potency. A typical response from a man who feels threatened by an assertive female -
I see it all the time.
But you do have the right to air your views on this public forum, however misguided they may be, and it was interesting to watch you throw your toys out of the pram.
If your walk on the beach has cleared away your testosterone fuelled frenzy (joke) you may want to contribute to this thread in a useful way, please feel free to do so. In the meantime perhaps you should contact the forum admin and ask for your own username?
BTW "Mr Nisey", the "shrinking violet" comment was sarcasm
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Same here! Hubby is a SAHD and runs daughter to school every day and picks her up. He gets her lunch ready and takes her to playgrounds afterwards. I am actually a little envious as I'm in the office, but that she has one of us taking care of her (we're very fortunate in that!) means the world to me. He goes out to band practice twice a week during the week, too, so that gives me some one-on-one time. And no, I don't start reading her any Germaine Greer.
Theres business opportunities on the near horizon but to be honest i'd quite happily see them stay on the horizon for a few more years being the 'SAHD' as you put it.