Cyclone Gabrielle
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Cyclone Gabrielle
Aucklanders.
This was our Nelson/Tasman area back in August so we know the power of the storms and the devastation caused.
Thinking of you guys up there and wishing/hoping that you all keep safe. well and have no damage.
This was our Nelson/Tasman area back in August so we know the power of the storms and the devastation caused.
Thinking of you guys up there and wishing/hoping that you all keep safe. well and have no damage.
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and worse ... Wayne Brown
As if the situation were not bad enough; he's clearly off his rocker and could not spare one shred of compassion for the poor buggers that have had their homes destroyed.
As if the situation were not bad enough; he's clearly off his rocker and could not spare one shred of compassion for the poor buggers that have had their homes destroyed.
Last edited by Bo-Jangles; Jan 28th 2023 at 7:29 am.
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Thankfully we are still south of Auckland and on the side of a hill at the moment looking over the water at Thames.
The rain was very heavy and also very noisy on the tin roof.
However no flooding.
The rain was very heavy and also very noisy on the tin roof.
However no flooding.
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The rain wasn't his fault and the response will have been lead by the heads of the relevant emergency services, not him. He answered what he could and other questions were answered by other heads of service's.
His comments about houses not being built where they are was bang on. If you build on a cliff edge in a country full of earthquakes and land slips, don't be surprised when you house ends up in the valley below.
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My sister in law lives in Silverdale, Auckland. Both ends of her road are flooded. She's glad she left work early on Friday as she travels by public transport.
Her home is ok but she was glad that her husband drives a 4 x 4 when they went to collect their daughter from her after school job on Friday evening.
She said she was having wine for dinner. Note, not wine WITH dinner !
Her home is ok but she was glad that her husband drives a 4 x 4 when they went to collect their daughter from her after school job on Friday evening.
She said she was having wine for dinner. Note, not wine WITH dinner !
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In Thames at the moment.
Motels are filling up with stranded airline passengers because apparently Auckland is full.
I suspect that they are picking up cancellations from holidaymakers.
Not the best holiday weekend.
Motels are filling up with stranded airline passengers because apparently Auckland is full.
I suspect that they are picking up cancellations from holidaymakers.
Not the best holiday weekend.
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Hunker down Mr & Mrs LittleGreyCat. More is on the way.
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My sister in law lives in Silverdale, Auckland. Both ends of her road are flooded. She's glad she left work early on Friday as she travels by public transport.
Her home is ok but she was glad that her husband drives a 4 x 4 when they went to collect their daughter from her after school job on Friday evening.
She said she was having wine for dinner. Note, not wine WITH dinner !
Her home is ok but she was glad that her husband drives a 4 x 4 when they went to collect their daughter from her after school job on Friday evening.
She said she was having wine for dinner. Note, not wine WITH dinner !
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I watched his press conference and despite him not being as comfortable a public speaker as his predecessor, I couldn't see much wrong with it.
The rain wasn't his fault and the response will have been lead by the heads of the relevant emergency services, not him. He answered what he could and other questions were answered by other heads of service's.
His comments about houses not being built where they are was bang on. If you build on a cliff edge in a country full of earthquakes and land slips, don't be surprised when you house ends up in the valley below.
The rain wasn't his fault and the response will have been lead by the heads of the relevant emergency services, not him. He answered what he could and other questions were answered by other heads of service's.
His comments about houses not being built where they are was bang on. If you build on a cliff edge in a country full of earthquakes and land slips, don't be surprised when you house ends up in the valley below.
The general emergency response to an event is led by first response units at the outset. The point it tips to state of emergency ( in NZ) is when all units are at saturation point ( pun not intended) . It was his to call if he so chose. He was being given all the information. He did not call until late. Probably because someone was more than SHOUTING in his earholes by then to CALL IT, not expecting the Mayor to sit on his hands. There is and are protocols of course. However my feeling is he sat on hands waiting for someone to tell him what he should be doing as Mayor rather than acting for the good of his people as Mayor. He is paid to be a Mayor.
In emergency response it is preferable to call somewhat earlier, in daylight and in this case before a bluddy high tide. Having written that, one could say damned if he called 5 hours earlier and damned as he did not. What is certain is that everyone, but everyone, knew and knows what that weather event was going to do up front. Better to have response in daylight hours IMVHO .
At the moment he needs to keep his personal comments on people's personal losses to himself. It has no place at all.
Overall for me, he looks weak at a coalface. A bit of hot air but not much else. Hopefully he will now knuckle down and understand that local government means just that. Government. Not some bloke giving testy one offs. Government means managing people, expectations, results and communication. Communication means explaining, understanding ,listening , hearing and letting that be seen to be so.
It was his to call.
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By 4pm flooding had already forced people out of their homes. By 5pm emergency services were receiving hundreds of calls. But at 6pm concert goers were still trekking into Auckland city for a concert.
The countdown to chaos
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There simply was nothing BEVS, a few tweets from Waka Kotahi for people to head out early to see Elton John at 7pm, when people were already waist deep in water in a lot of places. That call to cancel should have been made well before people started entering the bloody stadium. There was no communications and that responsibility surely lies with Wayne Brown or someone from his office to front up with some basic advise on where to get help etc.
The shows would have been automatically cancelled upon the declaration of a State of Emergency had that been made . Until that point there would have been co-ordination and intel exchange between the production/promoters and other agencies. StJohn and the DHB + fire service , security and local EOC unit which would have been monitoring conditions. The Mayor could have called it earlier if he so chose. He did not.
Originally Posted by Auckland Emergency Management deputy controller Rachel Kelleher
Auckland Emergency Management took action as soon as it received intelligence the storm was escalating, setting up its Emergency Coordination Centre by 5pm Friday, she said.
The activation and response was “well under way” before a local state of emergency was declared by Brown
The activation and response was “well under way” before a local state of emergency was declared by Brown
This on the other hand is beyond dreadful.
Originally Posted by Wayne Brown. Auckland Mayor
......But during a visit to a community hall in Māngere today, Brown said emergency managers may have made some incorrect decisions. This is a great example of a community getting together and showing some leadership and they overcame what may have been some incorrect decisions from the emergency management group
On another note. The Nelson/Tasman civil defence units have asked for volunteers to help aid and relieve if needed. I expect other South Island units have done the same. If the next few days are bad then it will depend on what areas are hit and how. For instance if the SI West Coast is hit again then the agencies will be spread thin.
Edit to add..
Wayne Brown was photo'd sitting in his Mayoral office. He should have been in the EOC.
Last edited by BEVS; Jan 30th 2023 at 4:22 am.
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Of course it has to be someone's fault, I mean rain on a scale that has NEVER been seen before doesn't just happen does it. Someone must be to blame.
Would calling a state of emergency earlier have made the slightest bit if difference... No
Would calling a state of emergency earlier have made the slightest bit if difference... No
Last edited by Justcol; Jan 30th 2023 at 5:06 am.