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Old Nov 27th 2021, 2:13 am
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Originally Posted by LegalEagleTX View Post
for someone to jump on that one post of his and to say "NZ is not the place for you" is not helpful, at best, and is antogonistic at worst.
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A complete load of bollocks. Dude, If that's how you feel, you are better off in the UK. NZ probably won't even know you have gone.
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I have lived in Canada for over 50 years, although not in Ontario. I have spent time there and in most other provinces.

I think I have a pretty good idea of Canada and Canadians, and also was a professional when I worked, although in a completely different profession than the OP.

I have also lived for periods of time in the US, Australia, and NZ, as well as England, and by that I mean living as a local, looking after a house, family, buying food etc etc.

I think that I might make a definite comparison between Canada and most countries.

1. Canadians are no more lazy, racist or unprofessional than those in any other country, including the ones I've listed. In fact, I have never come across a lazy or unprofessional Canadian, though some are racist.

2. The cost of living in Canada while high is also mot much different from any of those countries.

3. Medical costs in any other country will always be higher than in the UK, but Canada is one of the lowest that I've come across, and is excellent. I would say that the care I have had is much better than any that I had in the UK, or that my family had there. It also does not cost that much. I've seen top class surgeons, spent time in hospital, etc, and all I've paid has been for the cost of the room.

4. Sounds strange, but I have experienced racism and discrimination as a Caucasian ....... but not only in Canada.

In conclusion, please do not plan on asking questions and making statements like the one that you have on this thread and on the Canadian thread if you think of going to Australia. They have an excellent phrase that they use or used to use against Brits like you appear to be. I heard it used several times against brash Brits, and would never want to be the victim!
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Er.....
OP was talking about Canada, not NZ. The consensus of replies to the OP's post was that Canada was not for him, which I would share.

There is a term of endearment in NZ/Aus for Brits that complain too much and has two words that start with "W" and "P". My advice is DO NOT BE THIS PERSON. If a Kiwi or Aussie calls you this, at a BBQ or other social gathering, it may appear in jest but they are calling you out and you can bet that's how you are being perceived and talked about. You will not be liked and you will not fit in.
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. NZ'ers on a whole are not racist, lazy or unprofessional. They aren't insecure, rude or obnoxious. Almost completely the opposite - so if that is what you dislike most about Canada, you would like NZ. As a vet you would earn fairly well in NZ, but things are very expensive.
this only makes sense if you live in an opposite World. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...d-report-finds
Health care is attrocious if you have an ongoing problem which is why 'New Zealand sits in the middle of other OECD countries when comparing total population suicide rates. Our suicide rate is higher than Ireland’s or the United Kingdom’s, but lower than Australia’s or the United States' taken from:https://mentalhealth.org.nz/suicide-...ide-statistics
Why there are working so hard to slow the transmission of Covid as Health Care would not be able to cope.


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There is a term of endearment in NZ/Aus for Brits that complain too much and has two words that start with "W" and "P". My advice is DO NOT BE THIS PERSON. If a Kiwi or Aussie calls you this, at a BBQ or other social gathering, it may appear in jest but they are calling you out and you can bet that's how you are being perceived and talked about. You will not be liked and you will not fit in.
No idea what words you are alluding to and actually dont need to know. the comments mostly commonly used in jest is actually, You need to pop to Bunnings - meaning harden up
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OP was talking about Canada, not NZ. The consensus of replies to the OP's post was that Canada was not for him, which I would share.

There is a term of endearment in NZ/Aus for Brits that complain too much and has two words that start with "W" and "P". My advice is DO NOT BE THIS PERSON. If a Kiwi or Aussie calls you this, at a BBQ or other social gathering, it may appear in jest but they are calling you out and you can bet that's how you are being perceived and talked about. You will not be liked and you will not fit in.
I remember the phrase 'whinging Pom' but haven't heard it for decades (although it's probably still used by some people). As an Australian there's not much chance of the term being directed at me, and no chance at all that I'll direct it towards anyone else.
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OP was talking about Canada, not NZ. The consensus of replies to the OP's post was that Canada was not for him, which I would share.

There is a term of endearment in NZ/Aus for Brits that complain too much and has two words that start with "W" and "P". My advice is DO NOT BE THIS PERSON. If a Kiwi or Aussie calls you this, at a BBQ or other social gathering, it may appear in jest but they are calling you out and you can bet that's how you are being perceived and talked about. You will not be liked and you will not fit in.
These days that phrase would be considered racism and anyone anywhere can experience racism. I remember a guy from Germany who said he experienced racism in NZ because he was listening to loud metal music in his room. The neighbours complained and because he believed it was his religion, he should be allowed to listen to metal music at any time. Must of been on drugs and it just shows the world is a strange place with strange people.
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I had to look it up. It appears the Australian human rights and equal opportunities commission was asked to consider whether the term Pom was racist and ruled it wasn't quite an insult while hardly a compliment https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tralia.cricket. So it could be shouted by Australian fans at cricket matches with England. The adjective 'whingeing' can apply to anyone of any race, although there does appear to be a lot of whingeing on this forum.
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As an Australian there's not much chance of the term being directed at me, and no chance at all that I'll direct it towards anyone else.
Good for you. But let me tell you as a native Antipodean, if you have an accent and you complain a lot there's every chance of it being directed at you, regardless of your actual residency status. The last time I heard someone called it to their face was about 20 years ago when I was working in Sydney, so I am not even sure if people go that far these days. But they will still use that term behind your back if you happen to a brit with a surely attitude to your adopted country.
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Good for you. But let me tell you as a native Antipodean, if you have an accent and you complain a lot there's every chance of it being directed at you, regardless of your actual residency status. The last time I heard someone called it to their face was about 20 years ago when I was working in Sydney, so I am not even sure if people go that far these days. But they will still use that term behind your back if you happen to a brit with a surely attitude to your adopted country.
Not sure you can 'tell me' anything about Australia and Australians, since I was born and lived here for 60 of my 63 years.

The other 3 were spent in the UK recently. With my English husband, who has the strongest scouse accent despite living in Oz for 25 years, and although some words he says are incomprehensible to the odd Aussie, whether Australian born or not (including me when I first met him ) he doesn't recall ever being called a whinging Pom. As for someone, somewhere, maybe saying it behind his back, who cares? He certainly doesn't.

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Not sure you can 'tell me' anything about Australia and Australians, since I was born and lived here for 60 of my 63 years..
I'd say most Australians would consider you Australian for sure. And you are right, I couldn't tell you anything about Australians that you wouldn't already know
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I'd say most Australians would consider you Australian for sure. And you are right, I couldn't tell you anything about Australians that you wouldn't already know
I'm actually a 3rd generation Aussie, with Scottish and English ancestors. I've only once been mistaken as coming from somewhere else, when I lived on Merseyside a shop assistant said 'you're not from around here are you, you're from down south'. It was genuine interest, not an insult
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I'm actually a 3rd generation Aussie, with Scottish and English ancestors. I've only once been mistaken as coming from somewhere else, when I lived on Merseyside a shop assistant said 'you're not from around here are you, you're from down south'. It was genuine interest, not an insult
They were right about the down south part I lived and worked in the UK for 20 years, most insults I got was being mistaken for an Australian 80% of the time. After a while a just shrugged my shoulders and said "How did you guess?'. Now living in Texas I'm mistaken for a Brit 80%, Aussie 18% and then Kiwi. And it's generally a Brit expat that gets it right.
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Have you been to Canada?
​​​​​have you lived here for ANY period of time? If so than its fantastic, you can objectively compare and give some valuable advice. If not then is it fair to say your opinion doesn't really matter since you don't know me at all?
With a knee jerk response like that, maybe the problem is you.?!
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Yes, I have been to Canada; no I haven't lived there for ANY period of time so I guess my advice is not worthy but when you put it out there that 'any advice is highly appreciated' you didn't ask for any qualifications.

I live in Auckland and in my very humble opinion reckon that Vancouver (where I have been ) is probably the one place in the world that I consider to be most like Auckland. There's really not that much difference except we don't have anything like the same public transport system (we just have cars and more cars). There are a lot of similarities to be found between Canada and NZ; tourist towns / villages like Niagara on the Lake would eb equivalent to Arrowtown in NZ and Whistler would be something akin to Queenstown.

Taking your words from your list of dislikes about Canada:
1. Racism bothers you; it bothers me and believe me the racism towards Asians, Maori and Pacific Islanders in NZ is shocking.
2. The rivalry between little old Canada and it' bigger / brasher neighbours in the USA bothers you - then you will be equally bothered off by pissing contest between NZ v and it's bigger neighbour Australia
3. Healthcare - whilst it is free to a point here , you will pay to see a family doctor (which does make access easier) but getting specialist appointments is a long wait, even if you can get referred and waitlists like everywhere in the world will be growing longer by the day due to COVID.
4.
Prices of everything here is expensive compared to wages; food, tomatoes, cucumbers, mobile phone plans, clothing, furniture, housing - everything
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Jobs - the same mostly about who you know and connections; not skills, not experience, not professionalism
6. The cost of seeing a vet is astonishing - my cat recently had blood and urine test and blood pressure ($680) so you probably point 4. might not be such an issue for you.
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Kiwi's can be very insecure and threatened by 'skilled / educated' foreigners who have different ways of doing things
8. Many Kiwi's
think they are the best at everything, they also think that they are hard working and friendly when in reality they often are not. They don't know what they don't know and really don't appreciate being told how things are done elsewhere.
9. Work methods and ways of doing things in NZ can be at least 10 to 15 years behind the UK.
One of the best, and most well considered posts I've read on here in a while.

Sounds to me like the OP is suffering from confirmation bias. I say let him find out the hard way why so many New Zealanders (including LegalEagleTX) don't live in New Zealand (but love it so much from afar ).

BTW I've never ever heard anyone use the WP term in either NZ or Aus. I did hear "pommy" once but that was a Kiwi talking about the British accent years ago. I've seen horrendous casual racism in New Zealand directed towards people of Asian appearance, and Maori and Pacific Islanders - and that included racism from people in positions of responsibility including police, teachers and medical professionals which demonstrated to me how ingrained it was in society.

But plenty of motorcycle clubs and patches to chose from, I'm sure he'll be just fine.

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