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Old Apr 25th 2019, 9:40 pm
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Hi, So we’ve have made the decision to possibly join family in NZ. We’ve booked a “visit” trip for the end of this year to go and have a proper look before we fully commit.

During our visit we would like to meet with some prospective employers, could anyone offer any advice on how best to approach employers and arrange a meeting/chat with them please?

Our visa applications will depend on job offers and wages but I’ve notice a lot of jobs advertised don’t advertise the salary (not helpful when seeing if you have enough salary to meet the required EOI points).

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During our visit we would like to meet with some prospective employers, could anyone offer any advice on how best to approach employers and arrange a meeting/chat with them please?
Unless you are in a very specialist field I would say you likely would be wasting your time trying to even engage with employers when you are nowhere near committed to making the move. Being here, committed and ready to go is what employers generally will want to see. If you need a job offer, then suggest that you change the focus of your recce trip into a serious job seeking mode and apply for some actual positions nearer the time, get yourself on Linkedin and follow prospective employers and local recruitment agencies for your field.
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Unless you are in a very specialist field I would say you likely would be wasting your time trying to even engage with employers when you are nowhere near committed to making the move. Being here, committed and ready to go is what employers generally will want to see. If you need a job offer, then suggest that you change the focus of your recce trip into a serious job seeking mode and apply for some actual positions nearer the time, get yourself on Linkedin and follow prospective employers and local recruitment agencies for your field.
Okay brilliant thanks, it’s a little bit chicken and egg with the EOI
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what field are you in?
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what field are you in?
I drive petrol tankers which is on the skilled migrant list, different from standard truck driving, with a job offer myself and my partner reach 180 points on the EOI, without, we reach 60, below the 160 needed. The earning threshold is $78,000. In NZ they earn 80-100k.

I have made contact with people in my field in NZ and have a list of contacts, recruiters and team leaders that can help but I was wondering if there was an etiquette? as ultimately I will need to ask the favour of them filling in a form for the immigration dept.

There are enough jobs and some of these people are British as well. So I need to know if they would offer a job and fill in an immigration form before I put in my EOI, which is why I need to meet them first. Very chicken or egg.
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Nz Trucking Association has a jobs boards so these are the places/people you might want to approach direct. https://www.nztruckingassn.co.nz/page/388031
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you would need to see if any of those companies are on the Accredited employers lists, This list are companies that have gone through the criteria procedures with Immigration to allow them to employee from overseas. If the companies are not accredited it would be harder for the company to offer you a job as they would need to provide evidence that they have tried to recruit with the whole of NZ and not found anyone meeting the criteria.
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you would need to see if any of those companies are on the Accredited employers lists, This list are companies that have gone through the criteria procedures with Immigration to allow them to employee from overseas. If the companies are not accredited it would be harder for the company to offer you a job as they would need to provide evidence that they have tried to recruit with the whole of NZ and not found anyone meeting the criteria.
Okay thanks, Do you think a temp working visa would be an easier route? Would the companies face the same problem?
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Okay thanks, Do you think a temp working visa would be an easier route? Would the companies face the same problem?
If the company is NZ Immigration accredited then they are free to offer you employment. They have paid the NZ Govt $$ for the right to do so.

If the company is not NZ Immigration accredited & if the occupation is not on any shortage list , which tanker driver is not, then they will have to prove that there is no NZ resident or citizen that could take up that work or be trained up for that work. The NZ Immigration service uses the NZ Dept of Employment - work and income to ascertain this by looking at the unemployed for the area to check who might be suitable - or not as the case may be. The employer would need to show that they have advertised and what training procedures they have in place etc. It is one simple form.

To be honest I have doubts that any NZ employer , accredited or otherwise, would be interested in offering you a job unless you are boots on ground and can quickly start. In that respect then yes, telling a prospective employer you are able and willing to start within a month or so via a temp work visa application is the way to go and would show good faith. The job contract would need a firm start date to help NZ Immigration prioritise the work visa application. The job contract would need to show a good two years I feel.

With that and the points for that, once here and working you would then apply for NZ residency. Of course if you met the criteria via an NZ accredited employer you could go for a Work to Residency visa. That is a type of temp visa but it gains you residency at the end of the 2 year period.

It is job offer first and then any visa application. You need a firm job contract in your hand.
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If the company is NZ Immigration accredited then they are free to offer you employment. They have paid the NZ Govt $$ for the right to do so.

If the company is not NZ Immigration accredited & if the occupation is not on any shortage list , which tanker driver is not, then they will have to prove that there is no NZ resident or citizen that could take up that work or be trained up for that work. The NZ Immigration service uses the NZ Dept of Employment - work and income to ascertain this by looking at the unemployed for the area to check who might be suitable - or not as the case may be. The employer would need to show that they have advertised and what training procedures they have in place etc. It is one simple form.

To be honest I have doubts that any NZ employer , accredited or otherwise, would be interested in offering you a job unless you are boots on ground and can quickly start. In that respect then yes, telling a prospective employer you are able and willing to start within a month or so via a temp work visa application is the way to go and would show good faith. The job contract would need a firm start date to help NZ Immigration prioritise the work visa application. The job contract would need to show a good two years I feel.

With that and the points for that, once here and working you would then apply for NZ residency. Of course if you met the criteria via an NZ accredited employer you could go for a Work to Residency visa. That is a type of temp visa but it gains you residency at the end of the 2 year period.

It is job offer first and then any visa application. You need a firm job contract in your hand.
Ok thanks, sounding more unlikely then! The skills experience and qualifications we have are not on any shortage list, so at this time a temp visa would be difficult.
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Someone put about the points and the maths didn’t add up but I can’t find it now. I meant if we both had job offers or if we both didn’t, even with 1 job offer it wasn’t enough. So 50 points times 2 making 100 points or so difference. 😊
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Okay thanks, Do you think a temp working visa would be an easier route? Would the companies face the same problem?
Yes, the criteria for a job has to meet NZ Immigration standards, the status of the visa, temp or perm really doesn''t come into it.
How old are you both? you could try for a Working Holiday Visa and see if you can gain a a job offer whilst on that visa, You are able to work for a maximum of 12 months over 2 months on a working holiday visa.
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Ok thanks, sounding more unlikely then! The skills experience and qualifications we have are not on any shortage list, so at this time a temp visa would be difficult.
I think back to basics is best here.


Ref the shortages lists. Those are about occupations not about work exp and quals. If there is a shortage of skilled workers for an occupation then it makes it onto one of the shortages lists.
Yes, a person's quals and work exp should be right and match their occupation but that is not what the shortage lists are about. It is a way to fill employment gaps in the right places here in NZ.
If an occupation is not on a shortage list does not make it more difficult really for an NZ employer to offer an overseas person a job if that person fits the bill. It is simply an extra simple form for the employer to fill in . That is where they show how they have advertised etc. It really is nothing hard . It is a supplementary form . That is all.

If you are offered a job then provided you have the right experience and job skills for that vacancy and the vacancy is a genuine one then applying for and gaining a temp work visa is no problem. It is a form filling exercise.

In my opinion your most likely bet is that you find a tanker driver job with an NZ immigration accredited employer. They are already able to offer work to an overseas person without the need for filling in the employer supplementary form. They paid the NZ Govt $$ for the ease to do so. Many large NZ employers and Government agencies are NZ immigration accredited. For that you just need a firm job offer as a tanker driver. With that you will apply for a temp work visa or a work to residence visa if the wage conditions etc are met.



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Someone put about the points and the maths didn’t add up but I can’t find it now. I meant if we both had job offers or if we both didn’t, even with 1 job offer it wasn’t enough. So 50 points times 2 making 100 points or so difference.
That is not how the skilled migrant points system works. Please check with the NZ immigration points indicator and come back with your points. Put yourself as the main applicant & with/without a job offer.
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I have made contact with people in my field in NZ and have a list of contacts, recruiters and team leaders that can help but I was wondering if there was an etiquette? as ultimately I will need to ask the favour of them filling in a form for the immigration dept.
Help with what? You simply need an employer to give you a firm genuine job offer.

There are enough jobs and some of these people are British as well. So I need to know if they would offer a job and fill in an immigration form before I put in my EOI, which is why I need to meet them first. Very chicken or egg.
I am not sure what some of this means in terms of visa applications. An employer should and must not do you a 'favour' by offering you employment simply because you are both British. That is illegal. You may not be suggesting this of course but it does read oddly.

There are job vacancies but as explained the pecking order is NZ residents/citizens first before anyone from overseas. There are no shortage of tanker drivers here to fill vacancies. Immigration will check that a vacancy has been properly offered to those on NZ turf first.
The exception is , as stated, those employers that are NZ Immigration Accredited. Your best bet is to look for a job offer with one of those. Forget the skilled occupation bit for the moment. Look to gain the job offer and a concrete contract of employment. With that you apply for a temp work visa/work to residence. Once up and running you elect to keep with the work to residence visa or fork out for a skilled migrant application under the points system IF you have the points .

Example of NZ Immigration Accredited employers. These are free and able to offer any overseas person a job.

Fonterra

Allied Petroleum - this company always states that one needs residency or visa in place. One would need to firmly state that it is job offer first , then visa per immigration rules.

Of course there are outfits around NZ that employ tanker drivers. Those employers would need to fill out a supplementary form and show evidence of offering the work to NZers first if they offer you a full time perm position.

This is not as hard or difficult as it sounds. It isn't really even a chicken and egg. It is the process & it means some hard yards. It is always a genuine firm job offer first, then one progresses to a visa application.

I am with Bo-Jangles on this one. Shift your focus for your forthcoming visit to family. Make it about gaining a firm job offer and keep in your mind that once you have that job offer you would turn yourself around a.s.a.p. from UK to NZ to start that work. That's your path.











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