After 5 years in NZ
Mar 10th 2008, 9:15 pm
#167
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Re: After 5 years in NZ
Are you really trying to say that there are better opportunities for recreational boating in Scotland compared to NZ? If you are then I want to hear this one, if not, then you are just being argumentative (he says looking around the glasshouse with a small pile pile of pebbles in his hand...)
Perhaps you didn’t read the background ?
What I am saying is that there are people in Scotland that have boats and just because the weather in Scotland is not comparable to NZ does not mean you can not have a boat in Scotland.
We also have canals in Scotland
Over & above that, I am a learning from the Kiwis that is that I should be proud of my home country and this Scottish achievement is something the Scots can show to the world and be VERY proud.
In fact Scotland used to have some of the biggest and most famous ship building yards.
So, the next lot of business cards I am printing will be in Tartan and thistles painted all over my car
Yeah right mate
Mar 10th 2008, 9:22 pm
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Re: After 5 years in NZ
Later on he also made a lifestyle decision and moved to New Zealand
Mar 10th 2008, 9:43 pm
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Re: After 5 years in NZ
I have been thinking about the move for the past 4-6 months and have done my home work and also asked questions on this forum. In the end I realize that NZ is a beautiful country but if you didn't do your homework you will be in for a surprise when you start trying to live there.
I moved from a beautiful country (South Africa) to the UK and now know how 'easy' it is to survive on a low to medium income. In NZ like SA it isn't that easy to make ends meet if you have a normal mortgage. If I end up in NZ (it might still happen) I would need to have a small-medium (50% of average mortgage) mortgage with the interest rates being what it is to be able to make ends meet without having a high income.
Hope this makes sense but for now I think I will have to give Scotland another 5 years before making up my mind. Hmmm if Scotland was 5'C warmer I probably wouldn't think twice about staying but global warming is taking to long to get there.
I moved from a beautiful country (South Africa) to the UK and now know how 'easy' it is to survive on a low to medium income. In NZ like SA it isn't that easy to make ends meet if you have a normal mortgage. If I end up in NZ (it might still happen) I would need to have a small-medium (50% of average mortgage) mortgage with the interest rates being what it is to be able to make ends meet without having a high income.
Hope this makes sense but for now I think I will have to give Scotland another 5 years before making up my mind. Hmmm if Scotland was 5'C warmer I probably wouldn't think twice about staying but global warming is taking to long to get there.
Difficult to predict I know, but as some point I would think migration could be radically different from now.
If Australia goes into recession, as some are forecasting
http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...53-462,00.html
there could be a mass return of Kiwis to NZ reversing the need for large numbers of migrants to fill the gap. Especially if NZ goes into recession too.
New Zealand doesn't have an open-door policy (like Britain) and it would be very easy to change the points system to drastically reduce numbers.
Incidently, I understand that 30 years ago it was Australians moving to NZ for jobs that was the problem here.
It's a funny old world
Kip
Mar 10th 2008, 9:57 pm
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Re: After 5 years in NZ
Five years is a long timescale with the world the way it is.
Difficult to predict I know, but as some point I would think migration could be radically different from now.
If Australia goes into recession, as some are forecasting
http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...53-462,00.html
there could be a mass return of Kiwis to NZ reversing the need for large numbers of migrants to fill the gap. Especially if NZ goes into recession too.
New Zealand doesn't have an open-door policy (like Britain) and it would be very easy to change the points system to drastically reduce numbers.
Incidently, I understand that 30 years ago it was Australians moving to NZ for jobs that was the problem here.
It's a funny old world
Kip
Difficult to predict I know, but as some point I would think migration could be radically different from now.
If Australia goes into recession, as some are forecasting
http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...53-462,00.html
there could be a mass return of Kiwis to NZ reversing the need for large numbers of migrants to fill the gap. Especially if NZ goes into recession too.
New Zealand doesn't have an open-door policy (like Britain) and it would be very easy to change the points system to drastically reduce numbers.
Incidently, I understand that 30 years ago it was Australians moving to NZ for jobs that was the problem here.
It's a funny old world
Kip
They set up shop too
Now most Kiwis are working for Aussies
Quite a few of the companies here are Aussie owned and run
Bit of a sore point for NZ
Mar 10th 2008, 10:17 pm
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Re: After 5 years in NZ
The total population of Scotland is projected to fall from 5.11 million in 2000 to 4.93 million in 2025
Your quick link to Scotland’s brain drain is a = prediction for 2025
Really, a feeble basis for an argument
At least Scotland has predictive planning
I don't think a declining population for a country seeking independence is a feeble arguement. It's basis for an economic disaster!! Their predictive planning is to advertise themselves and have a presence at emigration shows, show familiar???!!!
You obviously don’t like me posting the realities regarding New Zealand and come up with this weak crap in defence of the truths that I want to discuss regarding New Zealand’s serious issues.
You obviously didn't get the point of my posts, I was simply pointing out that every arguement you raise, evidencecan be found to the contary. Lies, lies and statistics.
Point 4: Expensive housing
The average house price is GBP – 215 168 equates to NZ $547 000
The average salary stated of GBP 29 k equates to GBP 73 700
Ahem, the average salary in NZ is what - $35 K
In a 20 km radius of where we stay you will not get a decent home for $500 k
and your point is
Actually your figures confuse me here. As you said in the UK av wage=74k and av house=550k. Here in NZ av wage 35k and in the herald the av house=352k. They look pretty similar on diffence. I believe we both live in the same city, the biggest and most expensive in NZ. The same problems exist for the cities of the UK, I earned 25k but unfornately my job needs a city centre. Treble my wage for the morgage and what can i buy????!!! Same here, same sh*t, different view!
In conclusion it would seem like a desperate attempt by yourself to try to prove that the negative issues regarding New Zealand don’t exist
How come if you look at other forums on BE you will see that negative issues are openly discussed.
PS: and you have been here how long ? What is it now three months. Congrats you seem like a Kiwi allready !
As i said earlier I'm not desperate for anything, this country has huge problems, they wind me up, just like the UK did. Utopia does not exist!! But I think the negative threads are necessary and when handled correctly good points raised, look at the hoonies thread. My point to all this is that sometimes it appears you put in evidence to back up your arguement and take it as gospel, there is always a flipside. Not everyone is having a miserable time. As for me, yes only 3 months, it doesn't make me a kiwi, I don't want to be one either. I'm here for my adventure then moving on with my British (English?) stiff upper lip!!
Your quick link to Scotland’s brain drain is a = prediction for 2025
Really, a feeble basis for an argument
At least Scotland has predictive planning
I don't think a declining population for a country seeking independence is a feeble arguement. It's basis for an economic disaster!! Their predictive planning is to advertise themselves and have a presence at emigration shows, show familiar???!!!
You obviously don’t like me posting the realities regarding New Zealand and come up with this weak crap in defence of the truths that I want to discuss regarding New Zealand’s serious issues.
You obviously didn't get the point of my posts, I was simply pointing out that every arguement you raise, evidencecan be found to the contary. Lies, lies and statistics.
Point 4: Expensive housing
The average house price is GBP – 215 168 equates to NZ $547 000
The average salary stated of GBP 29 k equates to GBP 73 700
Ahem, the average salary in NZ is what - $35 K
In a 20 km radius of where we stay you will not get a decent home for $500 k
and your point is
Actually your figures confuse me here. As you said in the UK av wage=74k and av house=550k. Here in NZ av wage 35k and in the herald the av house=352k. They look pretty similar on diffence. I believe we both live in the same city, the biggest and most expensive in NZ. The same problems exist for the cities of the UK, I earned 25k but unfornately my job needs a city centre. Treble my wage for the morgage and what can i buy????!!! Same here, same sh*t, different view!
In conclusion it would seem like a desperate attempt by yourself to try to prove that the negative issues regarding New Zealand don’t exist
How come if you look at other forums on BE you will see that negative issues are openly discussed.
PS: and you have been here how long ? What is it now three months. Congrats you seem like a Kiwi allready !
As i said earlier I'm not desperate for anything, this country has huge problems, they wind me up, just like the UK did. Utopia does not exist!! But I think the negative threads are necessary and when handled correctly good points raised, look at the hoonies thread. My point to all this is that sometimes it appears you put in evidence to back up your arguement and take it as gospel, there is always a flipside. Not everyone is having a miserable time. As for me, yes only 3 months, it doesn't make me a kiwi, I don't want to be one either. I'm here for my adventure then moving on with my British (English?) stiff upper lip!!
Mar 10th 2008, 10:50 pm
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Re: After 5 years in NZ
Certainly not
Not in NZ or in Scotland
I have never said otherwise
Mar 10th 2008, 11:39 pm
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Re: After 5 years in NZ
Hi everyone, I am a proud Scot 
especially after beating the English this weekend and would like to give my take on NZ v Scot argument.
There is one fact about NZ that will never change. It is geographically isolated and therefore will always be a backwater. I moved there and decided it was too isolated and dull unless you want to just stay in NZ and holiday on the Gold Coast!
Back in Scotland I am a just a couple of hours from lots of different countries and interesting cultures (and I can go out in a boat ).
I would say to people don't move to NZ for the climate or lifestyle unless you want a quiet life and not be bothered by feeling on the edge of the world (in every respect)!
You really don't need to look beyond Europe for climate and lifestyle if thats your thing and you won't be bored silly!
especially after beating the English this weekend and would like to give my take on NZ v Scot argument.There is one fact about NZ that will never change. It is geographically isolated and therefore will always be a backwater. I moved there and decided it was too isolated and dull unless you want to just stay in NZ and holiday on the Gold Coast!
Back in Scotland I am a just a couple of hours from lots of different countries and interesting cultures (and I can go out in a boat
).I would say to people don't move to NZ for the climate or lifestyle unless you want a quiet life and not be bothered by feeling on the edge of the world (in every respect)!
You really don't need to look beyond Europe for climate and lifestyle if thats your thing and you won't be bored silly!
Mar 10th 2008, 11:45 pm
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Re: After 5 years in NZ
^First post and fires one off the starboard bow.
Mar 10th 2008, 11:56 pm
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Re: After 5 years in NZ
Hi everyone, I am a proud Scot especially after beating the English this weekend and would like to give my take on NZ v Scot argument.
There is one fact about NZ that will never change. It is geographically isolated and therefore will always be a backwater. I moved there and decided it was too isolated and dull unless you want to just stay in NZ and holiday on the Gold Coast!
Back in Scotland I am a just a couple of hours from lots of different countries and interesting cultures (and I can go out in a boat ).
I would say to people don't move to NZ for the climate or lifestyle unless you want a quiet life and not be bothered by feeling on the edge of the world (in every respect)!
You really don't need to look beyond Europe for climate and lifestyle if thats your thing and you won't be bored silly!
especially after beating the English this weekend and would like to give my take on NZ v Scot argument.There is one fact about NZ that will never change. It is geographically isolated and therefore will always be a backwater. I moved there and decided it was too isolated and dull unless you want to just stay in NZ and holiday on the Gold Coast!
Back in Scotland I am a just a couple of hours from lots of different countries and interesting cultures (and I can go out in a boat
).I would say to people don't move to NZ for the climate or lifestyle unless you want a quiet life and not be bothered by feeling on the edge of the world (in every respect)!
You really don't need to look beyond Europe for climate and lifestyle if thats your thing and you won't be bored silly!
I don't concur with that.
Kip
Mar 11th 2008, 1:23 am
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Re: After 5 years in NZ
Just my 4.9 cents worth.
ps. the word "boring" is highly subjective...it is a gross generalisation to try to paint Europe as less boring than NZ, although it is fair to say that some people will find it that way.
Mar 11th 2008, 1:55 am
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Mar 11th 2008, 1:58 am
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Re: After 5 years in NZ
. I dunno, what with hurricane force winds and earthquakes the UK is becoming more like NZ every day I hear that the UK government is cutting back on the 4 year "granparent" visas it grants to Kiwis, hum.....not going to do much for the big OE is it?
