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Why so many restrictions between the English Speaking countries?

Old Feb 28th 2007, 9:48 pm
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-Markus
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Why are there so many barriers and restrictions in terms of gaining
employment between the 4 groups of USA+Canada, UK+Ireland, Australia
+NZ and South Africa. They all have common histories, can understand
one another and have common cultural links (to a greater or lesser
extent), and yet the UK and Ireland seem to be trapped in a
multilingual europe, without a desire to become multilingual,
Americans and Canadians are prevented from working easily in London
and vice versa Brits and Irish in the USA (unless you can find a
company that is a multinational etc. etc. and transfer), and the
Australians and New Zealanders face similar problems...

It all seems so stupid that Aussies have to rely on ancestral visas
(which will be, as each generation grows up, ever more impossible), to
work in the UK and brits face equally harsh quota restrictions.

It is a shame, and somehow so wrong that would should be a chance for
people to live and work in such different and far flung parts of the
world, is ruined by regional blocs.
 
Old Feb 28th 2007, 10:03 pm
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Wink Nightingale
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On Feb 28, 2:48 pm, "Markus" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Why are there so many barriers and restrictions in terms of gaining
> employment between the 4 groups of USA+Canada, UK+Ireland, Australia
> +NZ and South Africa. They all have common histories, can understand
> one another and have common cultural links (to a greater or lesser
> extent), and yet the UK and Ireland seem to be trapped in a
> multilingual europe, without a desire to become multilingual,
> Americans and Canadians are prevented from working easily in London
> and vice versa Brits and Irish in the USA (unless you can find a
> company that is a multinational etc. etc. and transfer), and the
> Australians and New Zealanders face similar problems...
>
> It all seems so stupid that Aussies have to rely on ancestral visas
> (which will be, as each generation grows up, ever more impossible), to
> work in the UK and brits face equally harsh quota restrictions.
>
> It is a shame, and somehow so wrong that would should be a chance for
> people to live and work in such different and far flung parts of the
> world, is ruined by regional blocs.



it's a conspiracy. Truly it is.
with regards to Australia, it was so easy in the 1960s
that they had a special program offering a boat trip to emigrate there
for only 10 pounds!

With regards to the USA it was also at one time far easier than it is
now, but all that changed with a major new immigration law that was
passed in 1965. Ever since 1965 the US immigration laws have favoured
South east asian (chinese/mongoloid and more recently indian and
pakistani) immigrants, and made it more difficult for europeans.

It is to all intents and purposes impossible for europeans to
immigrate to th US now, unless they marry an american citizen, or are
some kind of world class rocket scientist.

Even Canada now, which was traditionally the easiest place of all to
emmigrate to, is difficult.

Some, would blame a sinister group of shaddowy figures who's name is
spoken every 5 minutes on this newsgroup. I'll let you draw your own
conclusions, but it's very clear that it has been made virtually
impossible for english speaking whites to emmigrate to english
speaking countries, which should be the most natural places for them
to go to. MEanwhile, the US Australia, Canada, are all now being
swamped by non emglish speaking immigrants.

I'd like to read a well researched book on the subject but as yet have
been unable to find one.
 
Old Feb 28th 2007, 10:11 pm
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On 28 Feb 2007 14:48:21 -0800, "Markus" <[email protected]>

typed:

>Why are there so many barriers and restrictions in terms of gaining
>employment between the 4 groups of USA+Canada, UK+Ireland, Australia
>+NZ and South Africa. They all have common histories, can understand
>one another and have common cultural links (to a greater or lesser
>extent), and yet the UK and Ireland seem to be trapped in a
>multilingual europe, without a desire to become multilingual,
>Americans and Canadians are prevented from working easily in London
>and vice versa Brits and Irish in the USA (unless you can find a
>company that is a multinational etc. etc. and transfer), and the
>Australians and New Zealanders face similar problems...
>
>It all seems so stupid that Aussies have to rely on ancestral visas
>(which will be, as each generation grows up, ever more impossible), to
>work in the UK and brits face equally harsh quota restrictions.
>
>It is a shame, and somehow so wrong that would should be a chance for
>people to live and work in such different and far flung parts of the
>world, is ruined by regional blocs.

simple...the religion of 'equality'


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Old Feb 28th 2007, 10:23 pm
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Default Re: Why so many restrictions between the English Speaking countries?

Originally Posted by -Markus
They all have common histories, can understand one another and have common cultural links (to a greater or lesser extent)...
Let's see... if we go back far enough in history, you have a common history with the ape. Would you invite one 'round for tea?


... the UK and Ireland seem to be trapped in a multilingual europe, without a desire to become multilingual...
Perhaps the UK and Ireland don't want to be multilingual.


Americans and Canadians are prevented from working easily in London...
By and large, Americans and Canadians don't want to work in London.

Can you hear yourself? You're spouting rhetoric and trying to pass it off as some sort of grandiose new world order. Have you considered that perhaps there are reasons why these countries choose to maintain the status quo?

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Old Mar 1st 2007, 3:07 am
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Markus wrote on 02/28/07 14:48:

> Why are there so many barriers and restrictions in terms of gaining
> employment between the 4 groups of USA+Canada, UK+Ireland, Australia
> +NZ and South Africa. They all have common histories, can understand
> one another and have common cultural links


And so what? They are different countries.

> (to a greater or lesser
> extent), and yet the UK and Ireland seem to be trapped in a
> multilingual europe


I guess you haven't been in the US much. The US is, and has been for a long
time, multilingual, at least in the big cities.

> It is a shame, and somehow so wrong that would should be a chance for
> people to live and work in such different and far flung parts of the
> world, is ruined by regional blocs.


It is a shame that you don't seem to understand that each country follows its
own interests, not the interests of any other country, even if they speak
(roughly) the same language.
Other examples: Germany/Austria/Switzerland, Switzerland/France,
Switzerland/Italy, China/Taiwan...

Me thinks you have quite a bit to learn...
 
Old Mar 1st 2007, 2:20 pm
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What are you talking about, it's still MUCH easier for a Brit to
immigrate to Australia or NZ, who wants to go to crime infested RSA
anyways now that the Blacks are running the country to the ground.
Compare this to say Indians or Middle Eastern people immigrating Down
Under,it is relatively easier now than even 10 years ago.
In fact its an open secret that the Aussie government prefers English
immigrants to even Germans or Poles.

The major exception to this is of course the USA because it has quotas
allocated to each country of the world to representated in its
population.Further, apart from the historic cultural thread of
similarity that incidently broke off over 230 years ago, there isnt
really much in common.Even English spoken in America like the nation
is aggressively in a state of flux and changes often.
Compare this with Canada, Australia or NZ who still have the Queen as
their sovereign whose relations with the mother country are still
quite strong.

Long live Rhodesia...May you rise again!


On Feb 28, 5:48 pm, "Markus" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Why are there so many barriers and restrictions in terms of gaining
> employment between the 4 groups of USA+Canada, UK+Ireland, Australia
> +NZ and South Africa. They all have common histories, can understand
> one another and have common cultural links (to a greater or lesser
> extent), and yet the UK and Ireland seem to be trapped in a
> multilingual europe, without a desire to become multilingual,
> Americans and Canadians are prevented from working easily in London
> and vice versa Brits and Irish in the USA (unless you can find a
> company that is a multinational etc. etc. and transfer), and the
> Australians and New Zealanders face similar problems...
>
> It all seems so stupid that Aussies have to rely on ancestral visas
> (which will be, as each generation grows up, ever more impossible), to
> work in the UK and brits face equally harsh quota restrictions.
>
> It is a shame, and somehow so wrong that would should be a chance for
> people to live and work in such different and far flung parts of the
> world, is ruined by regional blocs.
 
Old Mar 1st 2007, 2:38 pm
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-John
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Macjoubert wrote:
> What are you talking about, it's still MUCH easier for a Brit to
> immigrate to Australia or NZ, who wants to go to crime infested RSA
> anyways now that the Blacks are running the country to the ground.
> Compare this to say Indians or Middle Eastern people immigrating Down
> Under,it is relatively easier now than even 10 years ago.
> In fact its an open secret that the Aussie government prefers English
> immigrants to even Germans or Poles.
>
> The major exception to this is of course the USA because it has quotas
> allocated to each country of the world to representated in its
> population.Further, apart from the historic cultural thread of
> similarity that incidently broke off over 230 years ago, there isnt
> really much in common.Even English spoken in America like the nation
> is aggressively in a state of flux and changes often.
> Compare this with Canada, Australia or NZ who still have the Queen as
> their sovereign whose relations with the mother country are still
> quite strong.
>
> Long live Rhodesia...May you rise again!
>
Oh my God! That comment takes me back many years to when I was one of
those demonstrating outside a meeting of the Anglo-Rhodesia Society in
Worthing, Sussex ... and how great it was when the totally dreadful
Smith regime ceased to exist.
 
Old Mar 1st 2007, 3:06 pm
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Macjoubert
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Sure , all you picketers must be happy with the way history played out
especially with Mugabe at the helm and the "dreadful Smith" regime
tucked away in a leafy part of Salisbury.
By the way did you know that Blacks also clamor for the beautiful days
under Smith ..WHEN THEY COULD EAT 3 TIMES A DAY!



On Mar 1, 10:38 am, John <[email protected]> wrote:
> Macjoubert wrote:
> > What are you talking about, it's still MUCH easier for a Brit to
> > immigrate to Australia or NZ, who wants to go to crime infested RSA
> > anyways now that the Blacks are running the country to the ground.
> > Compare this to say Indians or Middle Eastern people immigrating Down
> > Under,it is relatively easier now than even 10 years ago.
> > In fact its an open secret that the Aussie government prefers English
> > immigrants to even Germans or Poles.
>
> > The major exception to this is of course the USA because it has quotas
> > allocated to each country of the world to representated in its
> > population.Further, apart from the historic cultural thread of
> > similarity that incidently broke off over 230 years ago, there isnt
> > really much in common.Even English spoken in America like the nation
> > is aggressively in a state of flux and changes often.
> > Compare this with Canada, Australia or NZ who still have the Queen as
> > their sovereign whose relations with the mother country are still
> > quite strong.
>
> > Long live Rhodesia...May you rise again!
>
> Oh my God! That comment takes me back many years to when I was one of
> those demonstrating outside a meeting of the Anglo-Rhodesia Society in
> Worthing, Sussex ... and how great it was when the totally dreadful
> Smith regime ceased to exist.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
 
Old Mar 1st 2007, 4:33 pm
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L D Jones
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Wink Nightingale wrote:
> On Feb 28, 2:48 pm, "Markus" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Why are there so many barriers and restrictions in terms of gaining
>> employment between the 4 groups of USA+Canada, UK+Ireland, Australia
>> +NZ and South Africa. They all have common histories, can understand
[ ... ]
> With regards to the USA it was also at one time far easier than it is
> now, but all that changed with a major new immigration law that was
> passed in 1965. Ever since 1965 the US immigration laws have favoured
> South east asian (chinese/mongoloid and more recently indian and
> pakistani) immigrants, and made it more difficult for europeans.

Exactly how, as written, does US immigration law favor "mongoloid" and
indian immigrants? Are you basing this theory on the fact that many
Asians and people from the subcontinent appear to be immigrating to the
US? If that's true, I don't see how the law favors them when, in the
vast majority of cases, it is applied equally to all. Perhaps fewer
"whites" want to emmigrate to the US now than in the past. Is it
supposed to be easier for a white person because of "common cultural links?"
 
Old Mar 1st 2007, 6:50 pm
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Scally
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On 1 Mar, 16:06, "Macjoubert" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sure , all you picketers must be happy with the way history played out
> especially with Mugabe at the helm and the "dreadful Smith" regime
> tucked away in a leafy part of Salisbury.
> By the way did you know that Blacks also clamor for the beautiful days
> under Smith ..WHEN THEY COULD EAT 3 TIMES A DAY!
>
> On Mar 1, 10:38 am, John <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Macjoubert wrote:
> > > What are you talking about, it's still MUCH easier for a Brit to
> > > immigrate to Australia or NZ, who wants to go to crime infested RSA
> > > anyways now that the Blacks are running the country to the ground.
> > > Compare this to say Indians or Middle Eastern people immigrating Down
> > > Under,it is relatively easier now than even 10 years ago.
> > > In fact its an open secret that the Aussie government prefers English
> > > immigrants to even Germans or Poles.
>
> > > The major exception to this is of course the USA because it has quotas
> > > allocated to each country of the world to representated in its
> > > population.Further, apart from the historic cultural thread of
> > > similarity that incidently broke off over 230 years ago, there isnt
> > > really much in common.Even English spoken in America like the nation
> > > is aggressively in a state of flux and changes often.
> > > Compare this with Canada, Australia or NZ who still have the Queen as
> > > their sovereign whose relations with the mother country are still
> > > quite strong.
>
> > > Long live Rhodesia...May you rise again!
>
> > Oh my God! That comment takes me back many years to when I was one of
> > those demonstrating outside a meeting of the Anglo-Rhodesia Society in
> > Worthing, Sussex ... and how great it was when the totally dreadful
> > Smith regime ceased to exist.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Mugabe has certainly transformed the bread basket of Africa into the
basket case of Africa, but then the selfish bastard couldn't careless
about the well being of general public.
 
Old Mar 1st 2007, 9:53 pm
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-Andrew
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As far as the UK is concerned, the Commonwealth Immigration Acts were
mainly motivated by a desire to limit coloured migration to the UK.
The only reason immigration control was imposed on the white dominions
in 1962 is because at the time a two-tier Commonwealth would have been
unacceptable, and discriminating on the basis of race would have led
to the break-up of the Commonwealth. It was mitigated at the time by
the concept of patriality - any Commonwealth citizen with a
grandparent born in the UK was free from immigration control. This
still survives to a certain extent: if you are a Commonwealth citizen
with a parent born in the UK then you will (if you are not a British
citizen already) be free from immigration control. If you have a
grandparent born in the UK you are entitled to a visa that will
eventually allow you to settle. Since 1971 Commonwealth and alien
immigration has been governed by the same legislation, though there
are one or two Commonwealth-specific schemes.

Presently, only Australia and NZ have free movement of peoples. There
is really no reason now why the UK should not join with Canada,
Australia and New Zealand in an immigration union. The UK already has
free movement of peoples with the other members of the EU all the way
to the Caspian sea and the Russian border; it would hardly be a
radical move to extend this to Canada, Aus and NZ. As a reciprocal
arrangement I can see it being very popular.


On Feb 28, 10:48 pm, "Markus" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Why are there so many barriers and restrictions in terms of gaining
> employment between the 4 groups of USA+Canada, UK+Ireland, Australia
> +NZ and South Africa. They all have common histories, can understand
> one another and have common cultural links (to a greater or lesser
> extent), and yet the UK and Ireland seem to be trapped in a
> multilingual europe, without a desire to become multilingual,
> Americans and Canadians are prevented from working easily in London
> and vice versa Brits and Irish in the USA (unless you can find a
> company that is a multinational etc. etc. and transfer), and the
> Australians and New Zealanders face similar problems...
>
> It all seems so stupid that Aussies have to rely on ancestral visas
> (which will be, as each generation grows up, ever more impossible), to
> work in the UK and brits face equally harsh quota restrictions.
>
> It is a shame, and somehow so wrong that would should be a chance for
> people to live and work in such different and far flung parts of the
> world, is ruined by regional blocs.
 
Old Mar 1st 2007, 10:34 pm
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Ian Smith
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In post [email protected],
"John" ([email protected]) shared this wisdom:

> Macjoubert wrote:
>> What are you talking about, it's still MUCH easier for a Brit to
>> immigrate to Australia or NZ, who wants to go to crime infested RSA
>> anyways now that the Blacks are running the country to the ground.
>> Compare this to say Indians or Middle Eastern people immigrating Down
>> Under,it is relatively easier now than even 10 years ago.
>> In fact its an open secret that the Aussie government prefers English
>> immigrants to even Germans or Poles.
>>
>> The major exception to this is of course the USA because it has
>> quotas allocated to each country of the world to representated in its
>> population.Further, apart from the historic cultural thread of
>> similarity that incidently broke off over 230 years ago, there isnt
>> really much in common.Even English spoken in America like the nation
>> is aggressively in a state of flux and changes often.
>> Compare this with Canada, Australia or NZ who still have the Queen as
>> their sovereign whose relations with the mother country are still
>> quite strong.
>>
>> Long live Rhodesia...May you rise again!
>>
> Oh my God! That comment takes me back many years to when I was one of
> those demonstrating outside a meeting of the Anglo-Rhodesia Society in
> Worthing, Sussex ... and how great it was when the totally dreadful
> Smith regime ceased to exist.

Yes, the Mugabe regime is a great improvement, eh?
 
Old Mar 2nd 2007, 12:50 am
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Wink Nightingale
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On Mar 1, 9:33 am, L D Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
> Wink Nightingale wrote:
> > On Feb 28, 2:48 pm, "Markus" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Why are there so many barriers and restrictions in terms of gaining
> >> employment between the 4 groups of USA+Canada, UK+Ireland, Australia
> >> +NZ and South Africa. They all have common histories, can understand
> [ ... ]
> > With regards to the USA it was also at one time far easier than it is
> > now, but all that changed with a major new immigration law that was
> > passed in 1965. Ever since 1965 the US immigration laws have favoured
> > South east asian (chinese/mongoloid and more recently indian and
> > pakistani) immigrants, and made it more difficult for europeans.
>
> Exactly how, as written, does US immigration law favor "mongoloid"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
 
Old Mar 2nd 2007, 2:29 am
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Joe Feise
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Wink Nightingale wrote on 03/01/07 17:50:

> On Mar 1, 9:33 am, L D Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Wink Nightingale wrote:
>>> On Feb 28, 2:48 pm, "Markus" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Why are there so many barriers and restrictions in terms of gaining
>>>> employment between the 4 groups of USA+Canada, UK+Ireland, Australia
>>>> +NZ and South Africa. They all have common histories, can understand
>> [ ... ]
>>> With regards to the USA it was also at one time far easier than it is
>>> now, but all that changed with a major new immigration law that was
>>> passed in 1965. Ever since 1965 the US immigration laws have favoured
>>> South east asian (chinese/mongoloid and more recently indian and
>>> pakistani) immigrants, and made it more difficult for europeans.
>> Exactly how, as written, does US immigration law favor "mongoloid"
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search


I see that you can't cite any law. Instead, you seem to believe some idiotic
rants...
 
Old Mar 2nd 2007, 6:31 am
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Wink Nightingale
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On Mar 1, 7:29 pm, "Joe Feise (Immigration)" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Wink Nightingale wrote on 03/01/07 17:50:
>
> > On Mar 1, 9:33 am, L D Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Wink Nightingale wrote:
> >>> On Feb 28, 2:48 pm, "Markus" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Why are there so many barriers and restrictions in terms of gaining
> >>>> employment between the 4 groups of USA+Canada, UK+Ireland, Australia
> >>>> +NZ and South Africa. They all have common histories, can understand
> >> [ ... ]
> >>> With regards to the USA it was also at one time far easier than it is
> >>> now, but all that changed with a major new immigration law that was
> >>> passed in 1965. Ever since 1965 the US immigration laws have favoured
> >>> South east asian (chinese/mongoloid and more recently indian and
> >>> pakistani) immigrants, and made it more difficult for europeans.
> >> Exactly how, as written, does US immigration law favor "mongoloid"
>
> >http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...n+law+hurt+eur...
>
> I see that you can't cite any law. Instead, you seem to believe some idiotic
> rants...



There are more scholarly citations than you seem to be able to read,
you ignorant jackass.
 

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