UK crime falling
Jul 18th 2008, 10:17 am
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Jul 18th 2008, 10:20 am
#78
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Re: UK crime falling
Why doesn't Gordon Brown give it up as a bad job right now, call an election, knowing that the economy is going to be down the toilet for at least a few years, let the Tories deal with it. Lets see how popular they are after 2 more years of rising prices and falling incomes.
If Labour carries on for the next 2 years they will be unelectable for a decade, if Labour bows out now at least they might have half a chance 5 years down the line
If Labour carries on for the next 2 years they will be unelectable for a decade, if Labour bows out now at least they might have half a chance 5 years down the line
Problem is Labour will want to do it without Gordon at the helm......and he knows it.
G
Jul 18th 2008, 10:23 am
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Re: UK crime falling
To be honest, they deserve to be. The lies over the Lisbon Treaty, the disgraceful violation of civil liberties (DNA database, CCTV, identity papers, satellite tracked cars FFS - they'd do it if they could) are pretty repugnant. Now the tories might have done similar, although being a small government ideology I doubt it, but that's just speculation. The fact is this lot did it.
Jul 18th 2008, 10:26 am
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Re: UK crime falling
To be honest, they deserve to be. The lies over the Lisbon Treaty, the disgraceful violation of civil liberties (DNA database, CCTV, identity papers, satellite tracked cars FFS - they'd do it if they could) are pretty repugnant. Now the tories might have done similar, although being a small government ideology I doubt it, but that's just speculation. The fact is this lot did it.
I was working in Nottinghamshire during the miner's strike.
It was like a police state....random road blocks, phone taps and all.
G
Jul 18th 2008, 10:30 am
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Re: UK crime falling
What never fails to impress me is that everything I mentioned above - not one element of it will play the slightest factor in their departure in June 2010. They will get voted out because some idiots in Florida banks gave mortgages to people unable to pay them back and that nadgered the UK economy.
That is why they will go - always about the wallet.
Jul 18th 2008, 10:32 am
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Re: UK crime falling
What never fails to impress me is that everything I mentioned above - not one element of it will play the slightest factor in their departure in June 2010. They will get voted out because some idiots in Florida banks gave mortgages to people unable to pay them back and that nadgered the UK economy.
That is why they will go - always about the wallet.
That is why they will go - always about the wallet.
G
Jul 18th 2008, 10:41 am
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Re: UK crime falling
What never fails to impress me is that everything I mentioned above - not one element of it will play the slightest factor in their departure in June 2010. They will get voted out because some idiots in Florida banks gave mortgages to people unable to pay them back and that nadgered the UK economy.
That is why they will go - always about the wallet.
That is why they will go - always about the wallet.
Jul 18th 2008, 11:23 am
#85
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Re: UK crime falling
[QUOTE=Tableland;6584291]
But this is a "biased sample" because you are British, also you have been immersed in a pacifist culture. To make this comparison objective you would have to hang around The Red Lion in Scumton at 11pm with an Australian rugby top on and start talking about how the poms were dickheads.
Just kidding.
I've been misquoted!
I've never been to Australia
But this is a "biased sample" because you are British, also you have been immersed in a pacifist culture. To make this comparison objective you would have to hang around The Red Lion in Scumton at 11pm with an Australian rugby top on and start talking about how the poms were dickheads.
Just kidding.
I've never been to Australia
Jul 18th 2008, 11:36 am
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Re: UK crime falling
[QUOTE=derbyflan;6584550]
I think there is a problem with the quote function on this thread. It keeps quoting the previous poster rather than the current one... this quote, although written by Crayfish will come up as Tableland
Jul 18th 2008, 1:59 pm
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Re: UK crime falling
Cynics would think that the latest UK crime statistics showing a marked fall in overall crime here may well have been manipulated and "messed around with" by the Government in order to show an improvement but according to mates of mine who are coppers the figures and statistics really are true. Even though there has been a spate of fatal stabbings amoung young males in recent weeks (most of them in London and elsewhere in England, not wholly urban areas either) the official crime statistics really do show a steady decline in all areas of England and Wales, and also here in Scotland. It is now a lot harder to steal cars, and also to burgle houses due to much more effective preventative measures. Street muggings and robberies generally have also shown a sharp drop in numbers overall.
Jul 18th 2008, 11:56 pm
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Re: UK crime falling
Trouble is the British Crime Survey doesn't survey people under 16. In my experience of living in Liverpool and Manchester at least, the age group of 11 - 17 was the worst in terms of the fear of the local community. This age group must also suffer a lot of fear, and it is a sham that their voice is often not heard and opinion not wanted.
Jul 19th 2008, 12:06 am
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Re: UK crime falling
I guess it's a bit of both. For sure, the media have made a real song and dance about violent crime and catered to the average Brit's sense of end-of-our-society fatalism. However, violent crime seems to be quite common from looking at local news at least, and the "mob mentality" of lads roaming about looking for trouble while loaded on tequilas is what people are wary of.
Re. correlations between criminal behaviour and the economy, I would say the links are strong. For one thing, the era of £1 cans of lager and £2 double shots have fuelled this violence, as much of it is drink-related. I would argue that when we are deeper into the recession and drink goes up, there will be much less violence on the streets.
Re. correlations between criminal behaviour and the economy, I would say the links are strong. For one thing, the era of £1 cans of lager and £2 double shots have fuelled this violence, as much of it is drink-related. I would argue that when we are deeper into the recession and drink goes up, there will be much less violence on the streets.