Settling in Europe

Old Jun 20th 2007, 6:35 pm
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Can anybody clarify the following.

My wife has an Indonesian PP. Myself and son have British PP.
She can apply for a resettlement visa and basically 3yrs later, after complying with certain rules, she gets PR and British PP.

I am sure this is right so far without complicating things.

Now then, with the advent of the European Union, no borders, no restrictions etc etc. Can we live in Spain instead, or must it be the UK?

Failing the above, is there any other scheme where as we could settle in Spain? Maybe if we buy a house there or something?

Any ideas welcome,

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Old Jun 20th 2007, 7:05 pm
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She can live in Spain.....BUT....it's a bit easier to settle in Spain if she gets British Citizenship first....however it can be done without it.

We are facing a similar situation. I am an American, married to a Brit, and I am about to apply for ILR. Our ultimate plans are to move from Wales to Spain. I plan on getting my British Citizenship first though. I want the security of a British Passport.

I have looked into it a little bit but not in any great detail. I'm interested in the replies you get.
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She can live in Spain.....BUT....it's a bit easier to settle in Spain if she gets British Citizenship first....however it can be done without it.
However she cannot get British citizenship by naturalisation by living in Spain. And not necessarily easy to get Spanish citizenship either (Spain asks for 10 years residence as a standard).

Get British citizenship first, then move to Spain.

We are facing a similar situation. I am an American, married to a Brit, and I am about to apply for ILR. Our ultimate plans are to move from Wales to Spain. I plan on getting my British Citizenship first though. I want the security of a British Passport.
This gives you two advantages:
- no Spanish immigration hassles; and
- right to return to the UK (or go elsewhere in EEA) if Spain doesn't work out.
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Originally Posted by JAJ
However she cannot get British citizenship by naturalisation by living in Spain. And not necessarily easy to get Spanish citizenship either (Spain asks for 10 years residence as a standard).

Get British citizenship first, then move to Spain.



This gives you two advantages:
- no Spanish immigration hassles; and
- right to return to the UK (or go elsewhere in EEA) if Spain doesn't work out.
Hi JAJ, thank you very much. It helps alot.

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Okay, in my dreams....

the way I've read the EU immigration info, as of today, I could live in the UK IF I lived there with my Dutch (not British!) husband.

If this is true, would I at some point be eligible to naturalise as a British citizen? After three years outside my home country (the US) I would be eligible to apply for *Dutch* citizenship, despite never having lived in the Netherlands, though I would have to pass the citizenship test which includes a passable command of Dutch.
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Okay, in my dreams....

the way I've read the EU immigration info, as of today, I could live in the UK IF I lived there with my Dutch (not British!) husband.

If this is true, would I at some point be eligible to naturalise as a British citizen? After three years outside my home country (the US) I would be eligible to apply for *Dutch* citizenship, despite never having lived in the Netherlands, though I would have to pass the citizenship test which includes a passable command of Dutch.

Hi SB!

Not sure about the second part of your query (JAJ is sure to be along soon to answer that bit LOL) but I have an anecdote for you.

We had friends on our condo in Singapore where the husband was an Israeli citizen and their four children were all born in Israel. Ingrid, his wife was Dutch (and had converted to Judaism and moved to Israel upon her marriage. Ingrid was an expat child, living for many years in Indonesia which used to be a Dutch colony and a number of other countries.

One of their teenage sons had severe ADHD and went to special schools in Singapore. Her husband's contract came to an end but they just didn't want to move back to Israel; the primary reason was that if her son didn't do his National Service it would be a huge stigma and he would find it a problem for him to be living in Israel (I guess perhaps for job prospects and college admission etc). No-one in their right mind would have given that boy a gun.....!

Anyway, as Ingrid was Dutch, her children were also entitled to Dutch/EU passports. The children didn't speak Dutch at all (they didn't even go to the Hollandse School) and only spoke English. They all went to live in Herefordshire; the husband did consultancy work (as far as I knew he was still using his Israeli passport to enter and leave the UK) as he continued to have extensive overseas business travel and Ingrid opened up a dog & cat boarding kennels business.

I went to visit them in England about a year after they moved back and they were all very happy....the teenage boy with ADHD actually managed to get a place at a specialist boarding school on the other side of the country, all paid for by the local authority.
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Originally Posted by snowbunny
Okay, in my dreams....

the way I've read the EU immigration info, as of today, I could live in the UK IF I lived there with my Dutch (not British!) husband.

If this is true, would I at some point be eligible to naturalise as a British citizen?
After 5 years in the UK on an EEA family member permit, you would usually become a Permanent Resident of Britain. One year later you could go for naturalisation, so 6 years in total.

Start at http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk
It's something of a grey area as to whether your husband would need to be living/working in the UK first.

After three years outside my home country (the US) I would be eligible to apply for *Dutch* citizenship, despite never having lived in the Netherlands, though I would have to pass the citizenship test which includes a passable command of Dutch.
Bear in mind that you would lose Dutch citizenship upon becoming a British citizen, if you did that.

However, if you became a British citizen then under current law your Dutch husband could become British and keep his Dutch citizenship (married to a British citizen).

Has your husband looked into whether he can become a U.S. citizen and keep his Dutch citizenship on the same basis (married to an American)?
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Originally Posted by JAJ
Has your husband looked into whether he can become a U.S. citizen and keep his Dutch citizenship on the same basis (married to an American)?
Yes, he can take the "citizenship of his spouse" without losing his Dutch citizenship. So in a bit less than two years he will be eligible to naturalise as an American citizen.

Normally he'd lose his Dutch citizenship if he naturalised elsewhere.

I have a feeling that by the time that I'm able to live abroad long enough to acquire another country's citizenship, all these rules will have changed, but it's nice to have a starting point.

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