Returning to the UK - don't
#181
Re: Returning to the UK - don't
Some just enjoy being outraged of Moss Side/ SW Sydney
Some like to watch a good row
Some come in by mistake
And SOME actually have the ability to see the funny side. Very much borne out by the karma and PM messages "I" have received
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#182
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Re: Returning to the UK - don't
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#183
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3rd world - This is nonsense. Most of the countries you mention have very good health services. The NHS being the envy of the world was true in the 50's and even the 60's.
Portugal was under a dictatorship until the 70's but even so my local university had cancer research going with oncology departments in 2 cities in Portugal.
I moved there in the 80s - medical care was excellent but the locals simply did not know how to access it because they were not aware of what was available.
Schooling was not compulsory to secondary until about 1989.
However, since then all these things have improved. Two examples.
I left England with pre-cancerous condition having been detected.
I was told to get to a specialist and get checked every year.
My Family Practitioner gave me the names of three oncologists and told me her preference.
I phoned on the Monday, asked for an appointment on Thursday - my British Council library day.
I was x-rayed at 11.30. State of the art equipment. I returned after lunch at 2.15, had a meeting with the consultant was shown the x-rays, told what might be wrong. This was repeated over three years, I could track my own x-rays under their guidance and when pronounced 'no problem' was given my x-rays.
Despite my writing to NHS Frimley Park asking for details of the problem to help my doctors, they told them nothing and refused x-rays.
My husband had similar experiences with his prostate checks.
The UK has one of the worst records in oncology. We are the slowest to diagnostic status, and the survival rates are worse than most European countries.
Don't be foolish.
I and my husband are public members of several NHS Quality assurance committees, our National results are horrifying. If your main reason for coming back to the UK is health service - I repeat with no apology what I have already said -don't.
What you say is not accurate - you only get free dental treatment on the NHS if you are on benefits. Being on pension only entitles you to free prescriptions.
Portugal was under a dictatorship until the 70's but even so my local university had cancer research going with oncology departments in 2 cities in Portugal.
I moved there in the 80s - medical care was excellent but the locals simply did not know how to access it because they were not aware of what was available.
Schooling was not compulsory to secondary until about 1989.
However, since then all these things have improved. Two examples.
I left England with pre-cancerous condition having been detected.
I was told to get to a specialist and get checked every year.
My Family Practitioner gave me the names of three oncologists and told me her preference.
I phoned on the Monday, asked for an appointment on Thursday - my British Council library day.
I was x-rayed at 11.30. State of the art equipment. I returned after lunch at 2.15, had a meeting with the consultant was shown the x-rays, told what might be wrong. This was repeated over three years, I could track my own x-rays under their guidance and when pronounced 'no problem' was given my x-rays.
Despite my writing to NHS Frimley Park asking for details of the problem to help my doctors, they told them nothing and refused x-rays.
My husband had similar experiences with his prostate checks.
The UK has one of the worst records in oncology. We are the slowest to diagnostic status, and the survival rates are worse than most European countries.
Don't be foolish.
I and my husband are public members of several NHS Quality assurance committees, our National results are horrifying. If your main reason for coming back to the UK is health service - I repeat with no apology what I have already said -don't.
What you say is not accurate - you only get free dental treatment on the NHS if you are on benefits. Being on pension only entitles you to free prescriptions.
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What is it that you think makes the UK so inefficient at diagnosing health problems? Is it down to not enough resources for the population, lack of resources or just bad management?
I have a friend who was diagnosed with terminal breast cancer at 24. She celebrated her 57th birthday only recently stating that it was all down to the excellent efforts of the NHS that she was still here.
I have a friend who was diagnosed with terminal breast cancer at 24. She celebrated her 57th birthday only recently stating that it was all down to the excellent efforts of the NHS that she was still here.
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Re: Returning to the UK - don't
Hi there and glad you came back.
I have been to Portugal a few times and your comparisons regarding cost are not really accurate in the sense that the wages in Portugal are much lower than the U.K. Correct me if I am wrong I am not trying to start a heated debate just that your statement is flawed.
I have been to Portugal a few times and your comparisons regarding cost are not really accurate in the sense that the wages in Portugal are much lower than the U.K. Correct me if I am wrong I am not trying to start a heated debate just that your statement is flawed.
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A few posters on this thread need to take a step back and calm down before continuing. BE has room for everyone's views, and we ask that posters respect each others opinions and respond politely. If the rudeness and abuse continues I will shut the thread.
#187
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e-mail from Brian.
Property inflation in most of Northern Europe has been lower than in Britain.
Your modern flat is priced on its size and what facilities it has. This is, as you must know not the case here. Property costs what the market will stand.
I'll stick my neck out here and say I am sure there is nowhere in the UK you will get a 2 bed flat with bathroom and shower room for 75,000 Euros!
You will be leaving a moderate housing market for one which is still seriously inflated despite the credit crunch. Also don't forget if you need a mortgage they are not easily obtained. My advice is to re-think and at least wait until the full impact of UK recession is clearer.
Good luck
Property inflation in most of Northern Europe has been lower than in Britain.
Your modern flat is priced on its size and what facilities it has. This is, as you must know not the case here. Property costs what the market will stand.
I'll stick my neck out here and say I am sure there is nowhere in the UK you will get a 2 bed flat with bathroom and shower room for 75,000 Euros!
You will be leaving a moderate housing market for one which is still seriously inflated despite the credit crunch. Also don't forget if you need a mortgage they are not easily obtained. My advice is to re-think and at least wait until the full impact of UK recession is clearer.
Good luck
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Re: Returning to the UK - don't
e-mail from Brian.
Property inflation in most of Northern Europe has been lower than in Britain.
Your modern flat is priced on its size and what facilities it has. This is, as you must know not the case here. Property costs what the market will stand.
I'll stick my neck out here and say I am sure there is nowhere in the UK you will get a 2 bed flat with bathroom and shower room for 75,000 Euros!
You will be leaving a moderate housing market for one which is still seriously inflated despite the credit crunch. Also don't forget if you need a mortgage they are not easily obtained. My advice is to re-think and at least wait until the full impact of UK recession is clearer.
Good luck
Property inflation in most of Northern Europe has been lower than in Britain.
Your modern flat is priced on its size and what facilities it has. This is, as you must know not the case here. Property costs what the market will stand.
I'll stick my neck out here and say I am sure there is nowhere in the UK you will get a 2 bed flat with bathroom and shower room for 75,000 Euros!
You will be leaving a moderate housing market for one which is still seriously inflated despite the credit crunch. Also don't forget if you need a mortgage they are not easily obtained. My advice is to re-think and at least wait until the full impact of UK recession is clearer.
Good luck
To a degree property in europe is priced as said above but quite often this is not the case though, so anybody buying in europe needs to be aware of this. Quite often the northern european property market is very different to that of the UK, for example countries like Germany and Switzerland etc have very low home ownership, so to compare these markets to the UK would be incorrect, also the housing market in southern europe is greatly influenced by what happens in northern europe, especially the UK market.
You may well not be able to buy a 2 bedroom flat in the UK for 75,000 euros but a 2 bedroom flat in southern europe for this price is usually no more than a shoe box in size and normally constructed very poorly, as for swinging the cat forget it.....also you will have the added bonus of hearing your neighbours snoring, having intercourse or even just making a cup of tea etc. Decent property in southern europe costs just like anywhere else. For example you talk of Portugal well the Algarve is well known for very high property prices that offer little M2.
I disagree with your advice on not buying property in the UK or anywhere else in times of recession, for those with the cash and in a secure job there is no better time with prices falling and with people desperate to sell, there are bargains to be had.
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As I said before, quite clearly I thought, I am replying to people who have contacted me and who I have been able to reply to owing to a problem with the site email system.
I hope the moderator will take this into account. There are people wishing for genuine assistance who feel they cannot reply or post a question on this site because of the abuse they will be subject to if they don't agree with the bullies operating here.
There are many people on this site who have obviously left the UK because
they were dissatisfied with conditions here. They clearly have not in your parlance "hacked it" in the country they have gone to and now see the UK through rose-tinted spectacles.
On the other hand there are people who really need to know how it has changed here in the time they have been absent so that they can make an informed choice about their futures. This is particularly relevant with regard to cost of health care, personal care for elderly relatives and education costs.
For the latter, may I suggest a new thread has started which is for giving useful information about the UK for those trying to decide whether or not to return. If anyone wishes to ask me further questions about National Health issues; benefits or 'housing' and care issues, I or someone else will answer on site.
One last answer to the person who asked about property inheritance:
If your parent has received long-time care in a care home under Council subsidised systems, the authorities are entitled to claim the cost of that care back from the proceeds of any sale of the property irrespective of who the property is willed to. I am now told that there is a way to guard against this called a Property Trust. I am not familiar with it as it does not apply in Scotland - most of you will know that Scottish Law is different from English.
A friend and her husband were left a property by an uncle. The authorities insisted that the house be sold to pay back council care. Their lawyer won on the grounds that as they lived in tied accommodation - therefore had no property of their own - the will could be respected and they were allowed to move in.
I hope the moderator will take this into account. There are people wishing for genuine assistance who feel they cannot reply or post a question on this site because of the abuse they will be subject to if they don't agree with the bullies operating here.
There are many people on this site who have obviously left the UK because
they were dissatisfied with conditions here. They clearly have not in your parlance "hacked it" in the country they have gone to and now see the UK through rose-tinted spectacles.
On the other hand there are people who really need to know how it has changed here in the time they have been absent so that they can make an informed choice about their futures. This is particularly relevant with regard to cost of health care, personal care for elderly relatives and education costs.
For the latter, may I suggest a new thread has started which is for giving useful information about the UK for those trying to decide whether or not to return. If anyone wishes to ask me further questions about National Health issues; benefits or 'housing' and care issues, I or someone else will answer on site.
One last answer to the person who asked about property inheritance:
If your parent has received long-time care in a care home under Council subsidised systems, the authorities are entitled to claim the cost of that care back from the proceeds of any sale of the property irrespective of who the property is willed to. I am now told that there is a way to guard against this called a Property Trust. I am not familiar with it as it does not apply in Scotland - most of you will know that Scottish Law is different from English.
A friend and her husband were left a property by an uncle. The authorities insisted that the house be sold to pay back council care. Their lawyer won on the grounds that as they lived in tied accommodation - therefore had no property of their own - the will could be respected and they were allowed to move in.
#191
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Not all left because they were dissatisfied and not all return because they can't 'hack it' in another country.....and many of us still spend a lot of time in the UK.....I only left on a long term basis six months ago and I worked in the health service so don't try and teach your granny how to suck eggs....I will return in a few years because I always planned to.
....and before you continue to make stupid statements about the UK try doing some research. Australian property, for example, is both more expensive and unaffordable than the UK.
#192
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You are making some ridiculous assumptions......you know nothing about the posters on here.
Not all left because they were dissatisfied and not all return because they can't 'hack it' in another country.....and many of us still spend a lot of time in the UK.....I only left on a long term basis six months ago and I worked in the health service so don't try and teach your granny how to suck eggs....I will return in a few years because I always planned to.
....and before you continue to make stupid statements about the UK try doing some research. Australian property, for example, is both more expensive and unaffordable than the UK.
Not all left because they were dissatisfied and not all return because they can't 'hack it' in another country.....and many of us still spend a lot of time in the UK.....I only left on a long term basis six months ago and I worked in the health service so don't try and teach your granny how to suck eggs....I will return in a few years because I always planned to.
....and before you continue to make stupid statements about the UK try doing some research. Australian property, for example, is both more expensive and unaffordable than the UK.
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Have avoided responding to this thread but have read with amusement.
It's better than Eastenders, Corro and the Katie Price/Andre divorce all rolled into one.
It's better than Eastenders, Corro and the Katie Price/Andre divorce all rolled into one.