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Old Aug 22nd 2007, 2:49 pm
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More people left the UK last year than in any year since current
records began in 1991. Figures are from the Office for National
Statistics (ONS).

* 385,000 people left the UK for the long term in the year to
mid-2006.

* Long-term migration into the UK, meanwhile, was 574,000.

* Overall, the population of the country rose 0.6% in the year to
60,587,000.

* A quarter of babies born in the UK now have a foreign mother or
father.

* The data showed there were a record number of people aged over 85,
with a six per cent increase to 1,243,000.

* The number of people of retirement age also rose by one per cent to
11,344,000.

* London's population has increased by a total of 56,000, now standing
at 7,512,370.

* There were 159,000 more births than deaths in the last 12 months.
 
Old Aug 22nd 2007, 4:06 pm
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> More people left the UK last year than in any year since current
> records began in 1991. Figures are from the Office for National
> Statistics (ONS).
>
> * 385,000 people left the UK for the long term in the year to
> mid-2006.
>
> * Long-term migration into the UK, meanwhile, was 574,000.
>
> * Overall, the population of the country rose 0.6% in the year to
> 60,587,000.
>
> * A quarter of babies born in the UK now have a foreign mother or
> father.
>
> * The data showed there were a record number of people aged over 85,
> with a six per cent increase to 1,243,000.
>
> * The number of people of retirement age also rose by one per cent
> to
> 11,344,000.
>
> * London's population has increased by a total of 56,000, now
> standing
> at 7,512,370.
>
> * There were 159,000 more births than deaths in the last 12 months.
>

Exactly what was the point of posting this to soc.genealogy.britain?
It has no genealogical content. If it is some daft political comment
about an influx of 'foreigners' it says nothing new. We are all
mongrelised descendants of waves of immigrants to 'britain' stretching
from the present back to the distant past. Genealogy is not about the
statistics of those waves. It is about individual descent, as far as
it may be known anyway. Stats are wholly irrelevant to single cases.

Don
 
Old Aug 22nd 2007, 4:35 pm
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Don Moody wrote:
>
> Exactly what was the point of posting this to soc.genealogy.britain?
> It has no genealogical content. If it is some daft political comment
> about an influx of 'foreigners' it says nothing new. We are all
> mongrelised descendants of waves of immigrants to 'britain' stretching
> from the present back to the distant past. Genealogy is not about the
> statistics of those waves. It is about individual descent, as far as
> it may be known anyway. Stats are wholly irrelevant to single cases.
>
> Don
>
>

The post was in total compliance with the Usenet Charter of the s.g.b

"The scope of the group reflects language, history, migrations, and the
realities of researching public records and genealogical data archives,
and includes questions of local customs and history, or of regional or
national history which affected the lives of these people and which are
difficult to research in the present. "
 
Old Aug 22nd 2007, 4:52 pm
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Jeff wrote:
> Don Moody wrote:
>>
>> Exactly what was the point of posting this to soc.genealogy.britain?
>> It has no genealogical content. If it is some daft political comment
>> about an influx of 'foreigners' it says nothing new. We are all
>> mongrelised descendants of waves of immigrants to 'britain' stretching
>> from the present back to the distant past. Genealogy is not about the
>> statistics of those waves. It is about individual descent, as far as
>> it may be known anyway. Stats are wholly irrelevant to single cases.
>>
>> Don
>>
>
> The post was in total compliance with the Usenet Charter of the s.g.b
>
> "The scope of the group reflects language, history, migrations, and the
> realities of researching public records and genealogical data archives,
> and includes questions of local customs and history, or of regional or
> national history which affected the lives of these people and which are
> difficult to research in the present. "

Indeed it does meet the basic charter requirements. The question is of
what value the post serves. There is no request for assistance or
information. It is not a reply to another lister. It merely states a
series of facts that are easily obtainable elsewhere for those looking
for the information. Therefore it would seem to also fit the definition
of spam.

Jim
 
Old Aug 22nd 2007, 5:09 pm
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I would think that the point of posting it is pretty obvious: that there are now so many British people who've had enough of the deluded ideas and doctrines of left-wing politics, which has ruined of education system, opened the door to mass immigration into an already overcrowded island, presided of the rise of the yob culture etc. etc, not to mention the growing EU tyranny whereby democracy is usurped by autocracy, that the see the only recourse is to go somewhere else.

In short, we have a record number of British refugees going abroad.

Obvious to anyone with common sense.

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Old Aug 22nd 2007, 10:49 pm
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On Aug 22, 6:09 pm, Starseed <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected] oups.com...
> > > More people left the UK last year than in any year since current
> > > records began in 1991. Figures are from the Office for National
> > > Statistics (ONS).
>
> > > * 385,000 people left the UK for the long term in the year to
> > > mid-2006.
>
> > > * Long-term migration into the UK, meanwhile, was 574,000.
>
> > > * Overall, the population of the country rose 0.6% in the year to
> > > 60,587,000.
>
> > > * A quarter of babies born in the UK now have a foreign mother or
> > > father.
>
> > > * The data showed there were a record number of people aged over 85,
> > > with a six per cent increase to 1,243,000.
>
> > > * The number of people of retirement age also rose by one per cent
> > > to
> > > 11,344,000.
>
> > > * London's population has increased by a total of 56,000, now
> > > standing
> > > at 7,512,370.
>
> > > * There were 159,000 more births than deaths in the last 12 months.
>
> > Exactly what was the point of posting this to soc.genealogy.britain?
> > It has no genealogical content. If it is some daft political comment
> > about an influx of 'foreigners' it says nothing new. We are all
> > mongrelised descendants of waves of immigrants to 'britain' stretching
> > from the present back to the distant past. Genealogy is not about the
> > statistics of those waves. It is about individual descent, as far as
> > it may be known anyway. Stats are wholly irrelevant to single cases.
>
> > Don
>
> I would think that the point of posting it is pretty obvious: that there
> are now so many British people who've had enough of the deluded ideas
> and doctrines of left-wing politics, which has ruined of education
> system, opened the door to mass immigration into an already overcrowded
> island, presided of the rise of the yob culture etc. etc, not to
> mention the growing EU tyranny whereby democracy is usurped by
> autocracy, that the see the only recourse is to go somewhere else.
>
> In short, we have a record number of British refugees going abroad.
>
> Obvious to anyone with common sense.

Where's your evidence of any of this, and what does it have to do with
USA visas?
 
Old Aug 23rd 2007, 12:17 am
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Any of what? The original post, or my comments?

As for what it has to do with USA Visas? Well, I would have thought that there might be just a teeny bit of a relationship between people leaving the UK and people getting Visas for the USA, or is that beyond your comprehension?


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Old Aug 23rd 2007, 11:05 pm
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On Aug 23, 1:17 am, Starseed <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > On Aug 22, 6:09 pm, Starseed <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > >news:[email protected] oups.com...
> > > > > More people left the UK last year than in any year since current
> > > > > records began in 1991. Figures are from the Office for National
> > > > > Statistics (ONS).
>
> > > > > * 385,000 people left the UK for the long term in the year to
> > > > > mid-2006.
>
> > > > > * Long-term migration into the UK, meanwhile, was 574,000.
>
> > > > > * Overall, the population of the country rose 0.6% in the year
> > > > > to
> > > > > 60,587,000.
>
> > > > > * A quarter of babies born in the UK now have a foreign mother
> > > > > or
> > > > > father.
>
> > > > > * The data showed there were a record number of people aged over
> > > > > 85,
> > > > > with a six per cent increase to 1,243,000.
>
> > > > > * The number of people of retirement age also rose by one per
> > > > > cent
> > > > > to
> > > > > 11,344,000.
>
> > > > > * London's population has increased by a total of 56,000, now
> > > > > standing
> > > > > at 7,512,370.
>
> > > > > * There were 159,000 more births than deaths in the last 12
> > > > > months.
>
> > > > Exactly what was the point of posting this to
> > > > soc.genealogy.britain?
> > > > It has no genealogical content. If it is some daft political
> > > > comment
> > > > about an influx of 'foreigners' it says nothing new. We are all
> > > > mongrelised descendants of waves of immigrants to 'britain'
> > > > stretching
> > > > from the present back to the distant past. Genealogy is not about
> > > > the
> > > > statistics of those waves. It is about individual descent, as far
> > > > as
> > > > it may be known anyway. Stats are wholly irrelevant to single
> > > > cases.
>
> > > > Don
>
> > > I would think that the point of posting it is pretty obvious: that
> > > there
> > > are now so many British people who've had enough of the deluded
> > > ideas
> > > and doctrines of left-wing politics, which has ruined of education
> > > system, opened the door to mass immigration into an already
> > > overcrowded
> > > island, presided of the rise of the yob culture etc. etc, not to
> > > mention the growing EU tyranny whereby democracy is usurped by
> > > autocracy, that the see the only recourse is to go somewhere else.
>
> > > In short, we have a record number of British refugees going abroad.
>
> > > Obvious to anyone with common sense.
>
> > Where's your evidence of any of this, and what does it have to do with
> > USA visas?
>
> Any of what? The original post, or my comments?

Your comments obviously, since I replied to your message.

> As for what it has to do with USA Visas? Well, I would have thought
> that there might be just a teeny bit of a relationship between people
> leaving the UK and people getting Visas for the USA, or is that beyond
> your comprehension?

alt.visa.us discusses visas to enter the USA. This thread does not
discuss visas to enter the USA. I trust you are able to comprehend
that this thread is therefore off-topic for alt.visa.usa.
 
Old Aug 24th 2007, 1:51 am
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What are you? An aspiring moderator?

As I understand it, only the Moderators censor threads.

Freedom of Speech is a precious commodity. I honour it, even if what is being said is something I strongly disagree with. Only the totalitarian mentality seeks to suppress Freedom of Speech.

On a forum such as this, the principle of Freedom of Speech has its limitations, according to forum rules, and as I said, only the Moderators apply these rules.

BTW, for anyone interested in the original thread heading, here's a swathe of opinion from a large number of people.

Why are record numbers of British becoming British Expats?

This forum is BritishExpats.com. The thread title is "Record number of people leave the UK".

As for alt.visas.usa, well I guess there must be some feed between websites. But be honest, your first concern is not one of this being "off-topic"; according to your original post, your concern is for "evidence" for the reasons I stated for the record numbers emigrating.

( too many "fors" in that sentence I know folks, but whew, I can't help that. Apologies to grammatical purists wincing at it. I wince at it myself...)

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Old Aug 24th 2007, 5:20 am
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Originally Posted by Starseed
As for alt.visas.usa, well I guess there must be some feed between websites. But be honest, your first concern is not one of this being "off-topic"; according to your original post, your concern is for "evidence" for the reasons I stated for the record numbers emigrating.

( too many "fors" in that sentence I know folks, but whew, I can't help that. Apologies to grammatical purists wincing at it. I wince at it myself...)

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What's the problem? I only counted for...
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Old Aug 24th 2007, 4:13 pm
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On Aug 24, 2:51 am, Starseed <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > On Aug 23, 1:17 am, Starseed <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > On Aug 22, 6:09 pm, Starseed <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > >news:[email protected] oups.com...
> > > > > > > More people left the UK last year than in any year since
> > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > records began in 1991. Figures are from the Office for
> > > > > > > National
> > > > > > > Statistics (ONS).
>
> > > > > > > * 385,000 people left the UK for the long term in the year
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > mid-2006.
>
> > > > > > > * Long-term migration into the UK, meanwhile, was 574,000.
>
> > > > > > > * Overall, the population of the country rose 0.6% in the
> > > > > > > year
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > 60,587,000.
>
> > > > > > > * A quarter of babies born in the UK now have a foreign
> > > > > > > mother
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > father.
>
> > > > > > > * The data showed there were a record number of people aged
> > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > 85,
> > > > > > > with a six per cent increase to 1,243,000.
>
> > > > > > > * The number of people of retirement age also rose by one
> > > > > > > per
> > > > > > > cent
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > 11,344,000.
>
> > > > > > > * London's population has increased by a total of 56,000,
> > > > > > > now
> > > > > > > standing
> > > > > > > at 7,512,370.
>
> > > > > > > * There were 159,000 more births than deaths in the last 12
> > > > > > > months.
>
> > > > > > Exactly what was the point of posting this to
> > > > > > soc.genealogy.britain?
> > > > > > It has no genealogical content. If it is some daft political
> > > > > > comment
> > > > > > about an influx of 'foreigners' it says nothing new. We are
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > mongrelised descendants of waves of immigrants to 'britain'
> > > > > > stretching
> > > > > > from the present back to the distant past. Genealogy is not
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > statistics of those waves. It is about individual descent, as
> > > > > > far
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > it may be known anyway. Stats are wholly irrelevant to single
> > > > > > cases.
>
> > > > > > Don
>
> > > > > I would think that the point of posting it is pretty obvious:
> > > > > that
> > > > > there
> > > > > are now so many British people who've had enough of the deluded
> > > > > ideas
> > > > > and doctrines of left-wing politics, which has ruined of
> > > > > education
> > > > > system, opened the door to mass immigration into an already
> > > > > overcrowded
> > > > > island, presided of the rise of the yob culture etc. etc, not
> > > > > to
> > > > > mention the growing EU tyranny whereby democracy is usurped by
> > > > > autocracy, that the see the only recourse is to go somewhere
> > > > > else.
>
> > > > > In short, we have a record number of British refugees going
> > > > > abroad.
>
> > > > > Obvious to anyone with common sense.
>
> > > > Where's your evidence of any of this, and what does it have to do
> > > > with
> > > > USA visas?
>
> > > Any of what? The original post, or my comments?
>
> > Your comments obviously, since I replied to your message.
>
> > > As for what it has to do with USA Visas? Well, I would have
> > > thought
> > > that there might be just a teeny bit of a relationship between
> > > people
> > > leaving the UK and people getting Visas for the USA, or is that
> > > beyond
> > > your comprehension?
>
> > alt.visa.us discusses visas to enter the USA. This thread does not
> > discuss visas to enter the USA. I trust you are able to comprehend
> > that this thread is therefore off-topic for alt.visa.usa.
>
> What are you? An aspiring moderator?
>
> As I understand it, only the Moderators censor threads.

alt.visa.us is an unmoderated newsgroup.

> Freedom of Speech is a precious commodity. I honour it, even if what is
> being said is something I strongly disagree with. Only the totalitarian
> mentality seeks to suppress Freedom of Speech.

Good for you; we are of identical mind on this.

> On a forum such as this, the principle of Freedom of Speech has its
> limitations, according to forum rules, and as I said, only the
> Moderators apply these rules.

alt.visa.us is unmoderated, like most Usenet groups. Its effectiveness
and usefulness rely on people having the courtesy and manners to post
only messages which are topical.

> ...
 
Old Aug 24th 2007, 4:19 pm
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On Aug 24, 6:20 am, nettlebed <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > What are you? An aspiring moderator?
>
> > As I understand it, only the Moderators censor threads.
>
> > Freedom of Speech is a precious commodity. I honour it, even if what
> > is being said is something I strongly disagree with. Only the
> > totalitarian mentality seeks to suppress Freedom of Speech.
>
> > On a forum such as this, the principle of Freedom of Speech has its
> > limitations, according to forum rules, and as I said, only the
> > Moderators apply these rules.
>
> > BTW, for anyone interested in the original thread heading, here's a
> > swathe of opinion from a large number of people.
>
> > Why are record numbers of British becoming British Expats? (http://ww-
> > w.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?view=BLOGDETAIL&gridñ1&blog=yourv-
> > iew&xml=/news/2007/08/22/view22c.xml#comments)
>
> > This forum is BritishExpats.com. The thread title is "Record number of
> > people leave the UK".
>
> > As for alt.visas.usa, well I guess there must be some feed between
> > websites. But be honest, your first concern is not one of this being
> > "off-topic"; according to your original post, your concern is for
> > "evidence" for the reasons I stated for the record numbers emigrating.
>
> > ( too many "fors" in that sentence I know folks, but whew, I can't
> > help that. Apologies to grammatical purists wincing at it. I wince at
> > it myself...)
>
> > .
>
> What's the problem? I only counted for...
>
> --
> Posted viahttp://britishexpats.com

Interesting. Starseed is posting to alt.visa.us through the gateway on
BritishExpats. The part of Starseed's message below the reference to
the Telegraph website didn't appear in the version of that message
which was distributed on Usenet. It looks like the BritishExpats
gateway is doing some censoring of its own, unintentionally I assume.
 
Old Aug 24th 2007, 8:05 pm
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[QUOTE=Starseed
What are you? An aspiring moderator?
<snip>
As for alt.visas.usa, well I guess there must be some feed between websites.
/QUOTE]

Starseed:
This is a Usenet group, unmoderated and clearly marked in the BritishExpats website as being such. BE borrows from the world, on this one. If you are not familiar with Usenet, can not find the information in the BE FAQ or can't remember the rules you agreed to when joining the website, please google "what is usenet" for a clearer understanding.
And take the chip off your shoulder, please. This group is NOT only for British expats; it is open to the worldwide audience interested in visas to the US.


J. J. Farrell: Yes, BritishExpats.com hosts/mirrors several Usenet groups and yes, the web-translation often munges the quoting. Unfortunately, the number of people who use newsgroups in their originally-intended way has been reduces by the greater number of people who would rather have a nice GUI.

Everyone can read/understand each other better by taking some time to edit the quote tags in their posts and respond in a polite way.
If you are posting a thread or individual post that is Off Topic to the main group charter, please preface your subject line with "OT: Subject Line".

That the OP of this thread apparently cross posted it to many groups makes everything the worse.

This has been your brief moment in diplomacy. Thank you for your attention. <g>
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