Post Brexit travel within Europe
 

Post Brext, on the BBC news page, something about needing a visa & to pay for it to visit the EU countries?

I understand details need to be worked out & finalized.

For British citizens, that will travel to the Republic of Ireland for long stays beyond 3 or 6 months, even living there, will there be visa conditions & requirements the same as it would for those going to mainland EU?


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We are not really 'post Brexit', rather 'post referendum'.

Nothing has been decided/announced - no one knows what the situation will be when we do leave the EU.

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As with everything post the referendum vote, no-one really knows. Theresa May has said that UK citizens MAY need a visa, but as we didn't before joining the EU, then I would suspect that we will not if we do leave the EU.

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It has to be negotiated.

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Wasn't that lack of visa for Europe because we had British passports that were officially recognised?

And now that we have EU passports but after we're not in the EU anymore, that passport will kind of be invalid?

And rather than having to replace millions that would otherwise be valid for up to ten more years, supplementing them with a Euro-Visa might be a sensible compromise?

Brexit is quite different to Brentry (;)) in this respect for that reason? Just a guess.

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Just to clarify, I mean possibly not valid for the EU, but okay for general travel.

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I don't see that the EU will accept you using our passports for long. I think that UK citizens will just have to pay for new passports. Your vote your cost.

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Storm in a tea cup. The most likely scenario is that UK citizens' passports will progressively be replaced with new covers as they expire.

And sorry, but they're not 'your' passports. The ID page clearly identifies the holder as a British citizen, and at the time they were issued the UK was a member of the EU.

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All fine with me. As I said your vote your costs.

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Won't cost me a cent. I'm Australian ;)

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Just to clarify, since there seems to be some confusion on this issue:

The EU is currently considering a visa system to cover the whole of the Schengen area. If implemented, non-EU visitors will need to apply for a visa online, 72 hours before travelling. The proposed cost is around £10.

This is not a retaliation by the EU against Brexit. It will apply to other non-EU countries, and is part of the EU's counter-terrorism strategy. But, obviously, post Brexit, it will also apply to UK citizens. It will add around £40 to the cost of a family holiday.

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It certainly isn't retaliation as the EU have been considering that for the Schengen zone since 2011! The UK has never been one of the EU countries that is part of the Schengen zone anyway and the UK would have had to bring in their own checks for non-visa nationals.

Although since that EU idea in 2011, Merkel invited everyone to the Schengen zone and there have been terrorists attacks in Schengen countries, so it might now be a case of the EU shutting the door after the horse has bolted: and there doesn't seem to be many 'open borders of Schengen' countries now since this 'migrant crisis' anyway.


It's just all part of of the Brexit negotiations. Nobody knows yet who will be allowed what when EU law ends in the UK.

A lot of countries have brought in these criminal and terrorist checks for non visa nationals and I don't see anything wrong with them.
If this will mean that the UK will now be able to check the criminal history of EEA citizens and their non-EU family members and refuse them entry to the UK, something no EEA country is allowed to do under EU law, is that such a bad thing?

It's crazy that an EEA country can deport people when they come out of jail, then that person could just come back into the country under EU law, as a non-EEA family member of an EEA citizen. Or that a convicted murderer or sex offender in their own EEA country, is allowed to go and live in another EEA country under EU laws. If they are stopped from being in the UK under these proposed Schengen charges, then it is worth £10 each imo.

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Since the vast majority of terrorist attacks are committed by nationals of the country where they are committed, I can't see the relevance of visa checks at all.

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I think this is exactly what pro-Brexit voters wanted. Strict controls over who's entering the UK from the EU. And if that means the same for them in visiting the continent, so be it.

Sad state of affairs in my opinion.

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This has nothing to do with Brexit. Since the UK isn't a member of the Schengen Area then this would have had the same implications for British travellers even if the UK voted to remain in the EU.

http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs...0160406_en.pdf

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Generally true but not exactly accurate and missing some details. Yes, the UK is not part of Schengen which allows the UK to check and screen EU citizens coming to the UK at the border. Schengen eliminated that requirement between Schengen signatories, namely passports no longer necessary.

However, due to EU rules on free movement of people, the UK must admit EU citizens and their family members who desire settlement. That is not part of Schengen. This will now cease with Brexit.

So Brexit most certainly applies in terms of voter motivation in seeking to control, reduce, and/or eliminate EU freedom of movement rules to the UK.

Yes, I mentioned visiting but meant movement of any kind between EU and UK as the motivation.

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The continuance of freedom of movement will depend entirely on the negotiated settlement between the UK and the EU. It won't necessary end with Brexit but I agree it is unlikely to continue in its current form.

That the ending of freedom of movement of labour was a major factor in many people's minds when they voted to leave the EU is not disputed.

I thought you were implying that Brexit would lead to the UK being penalised under ETIAS if it were implemented.

My point was that as the UK would not have been part of the Schengen Area regardless of the result of the referendum then the EU would have needed to apply the same rules to the UK as to other non-visa national countries or made an exception for the UK. This could still be negotiated as it would not make sense to penalise British tourists wishing to visit the EU and EU tourists visiting the UK. The ability to live and work without restriction is what will be negotiated.

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Yes, exactly, the first was my point. The 2nd was not my intention. Sorry if I wasn't clear in my post.

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Well worth it to be out, in my opinion. (I travel through Europe often and would be glad to pay if it means the EU doesn't rule Brittania)

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I can see both sides of the decision. The one point I'd add is the EU invested quite a bit in UK infrastructure, especially in rural areas that normally would not have received national funding for improvements (roads, airports, bridges, etc.).

I don't see it as being ruled but more as when cooperating together we're all stronger.

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Why worry about something that has not happened and frankly is very unlikely to happen. Britain has a special relationship with Ireland that predates any European arrangement.

And not for one second do I think any European country will be demanding visas from UK nationals anyway. Just more silly scaremongering and Project Fear nonsense.

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What would be the point of that? It's too late to influence the referendum now.

If it was scaremongering to influence the vote they'd have done the same as the Remain people who readily admitted their 350 million lies once the damage was done.

At least some folk stayed to talk about it rather than :scarper:

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It was the leave people who lied about the 350 million, not the remain.

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Just a question of time before EU states do a cost-benefit analysis and charge those on weekend stag parties £200 for a visa. More trouble than they are worth !

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Oops :o

Point still made though...I hope.