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Benson55 Feb 14th 2018 5:40 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
I've been in Canada 22 years now and have to agree with what you are saying 100%.
Canadians come across as people who can't get the job done, only think of the toys they can buy hence the very high debt levels, are brain washed by any government and don't think for themselves, as for culture I'm not sure they know the meaning of the word. This is PC gone too far and hence I too am looking to retire back in the UK. Not that I am thinking the UK does not have any issues, it certainly does, but its exhausting being here.

I'm looking forward to being able to travel to Rome, Milan, Madrid, Berlin etc etc at weekends, join the National Trust again, go to a theatre.

HKG3 Feb 14th 2018 7:45 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by VFRV4 (Post 12439980)
My wife and I are currently in this dilemma. We came here in 2006. We now try to get by on my wife's wages. We sold the car and motorcycle to make it easier financially. We would leave a beautiful house that looks at the Rockies to move in with family back in the UK. Just a difficult decision.

Before coming back to the UK, it would be in your best interest to apply for Canadian citizenship if not already done so.

Benson55 Feb 14th 2018 8:11 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
Gosh sorry to hear about ya cancer hope things get better.
I suppose we all have to decide why we want to move back in the end....family/friends, lifestyle etc.

I had heard the Alberta health system was not so good, he in BC its very good but very stretched and getting bad in some areas.

Richard8655 Feb 14th 2018 11:52 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
Our time in rural, small town Ontario was a lonely affair. But then what else could one expect? But still hoped for less anonymity. OHIP was excellent, however. Isolated, but health well taken care of. :)

RLR Feb 15th 2018 1:24 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
Hello everybody. We are going back to UK in 3-4 months. Has anybody shipped personal belongings to UK from Canada? What is the procedure, what type of paper do we need to fill. My husband read that we may have to pay taxes on our personal goods. How to proof that it is personal and not new things?
Any advises would be greatly appreciated. ToR is this completed in Canada or after arrival to UK? Is there HMCR contact from Canada which will be answered.

biggayowl Feb 15th 2018 7:52 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by Benson55 (Post 12442078)
I've been in Canada 22 years now and have to agree with what you are saying 100%.
Canadians come across as people who can't get the job done, only think of the toys they can buy hence the very high debt levels, are brain washed by any government and don't think for themselves, as for culture I'm not sure they know the meaning of the word.

Where abouts are you? i'll add it to my list of places to avoid.

Iaop Mar 1st 2018 11:19 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
Hi everyone,

I just wanted to write a quick note to thank you all for sharing your opinions and ecperiences. I have lived in Toronto for 18 months. My company sent me and my husband over here on an international work secondment. Now the contract is coming to an end and I am being offered a full time permanent position here, but it doesnt feel right and I dont want the job. Whenever I speak to someone about wanting to move back home (South Wales), the usual response is to say how nuts I must be and how everything is better in Canada. My husband and I don't feel this way, for many reasons but I was hearing the same message from so many people, "the UK is in a mess, Canada is the la d of opportunity, you'd be crazy to give it up", that I was seriously starting to doubt myself. Thank you for showing me that there are people with the same opinions as me.

Benson55 Mar 1st 2018 11:21 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
Oh yes I agree with you 100% and having been here in BC for 22 years I can tell you the feeling for me gets worse and worse as time goes on.\
ALL countries have issues Canada included.

brits1 Mar 5th 2018 6:49 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
I found when most people said "your mad" that they had either hardly travelled to other parts of the UK or had never actually lived overseas and that their information was mainly gained from watching programmes on tv about moving overseas (which can make anywhere look better than it actually is)or that they would move like a shot if they had the nerve to. I would say to you that it is your life...if after 18 months of actual living and working in Canada and you feel its not for you then return home, good luck with your decision I hope wherever you decide you will both be happy and try and "tune out" advice from people who have not had the experience you have had.

Benson55 Mar 6th 2018 10:24 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
Yes getting out of bed a bit earlier would help, doing some work on Friday would be good, and on Monday stop moaning about the weather....all good tips for Canadians.

yellowroom Mar 7th 2018 10:42 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by brits1 (Post 12456714)
I found when most people said "your mad" that they had either hardly travelled to other parts of the UK or had never actually lived overseas and that their information was mainly gained from watching programmes on tv about moving overseas (which can make anywhere look better than it actually is)or that they would move like a shot if they had the nerve to. I would say to you that it is your life...if after 18 months of actual living and working in Canada and you feel its not for you then return home, good luck with your decision I hope wherever you decide you will both be happy and try and "tune out" advice from people who have not had the experience you have had.

:goodpost: I could not have put it better myself. Trust your own feelings and instincts Iaop, and good luck with whatever you decide is the best for you.

Anna Maria Mar 15th 2018 1:37 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
I am considering returning to the UK and moving to Scotland (Edinburgh), I previously lived in London which I don't miss since moving to Canada 3 years ago. I love nature etc and I live just by the ocean in NS. Any tips arund apartment search in Edinburgh (Leith, Portobello) etc will be much appreciated. I don't know those waterfront areas only been in Edinburgh once.

Anyway, my question is around private healthcare which I absolutely love here in Canada. From my past work experience I remember that director levels jobs offered free BUPA. Can anyone apply for an individual healthcare plan with BUPA, AXA etc? I never looked into it since NHS is much better service that public healthcare here, at least where I live in NS. OMG!
Cheers

Anna Maria Mar 15th 2018 1:39 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by Benson55 (Post 12457595)
Yes getting out of bed a bit earlier would help, doing some work on Friday would be good, and on Monday stop moaning about the weather....all good tips for Canadians.

Do they moan about weather? not as much as about taxes and car insurance. Gosh taxes are everywhere, and much higher in Europe in many countries. If they include them in final price there will be less pain, at least from psychological point of view :rofl:

durham_lad Mar 15th 2018 9:05 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
Plenty of companies offer health insurance for all employees these days. Our son works in customer service and could elect to buy private insurance through them. My wife and I are retired and in our 60s and our private insurance costs less than £80/month through Aviva.

christmasoompa Mar 15th 2018 9:27 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by Anna Maria (Post 12463026)
Anyway, my question is around private healthcare which I absolutely love here in Canada. From my past work experience I remember that director levels jobs offered free BUPA. Can anyone apply for an individual healthcare plan with BUPA, AXA etc? I never looked into it since NHS is much better service that public healthcare here, at least where I live in NS. OMG!
Cheers

Anybody can buy private healthcare, just look at the Bupa or other providers websites for an idea of cost. I've had private healthcare via hubby's job for the past 10 years, have never once needed it though as the NHS has always dealt with any problems quickly and brilliantly. I think it's fairly area dependent though, but the NHS is amazing IME.

Any other questions about your move, please do start your own thread rather than tacking your question on to the end of somebody else's, thx.

Anna Maria Mar 16th 2018 1:22 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
Thank you

Jerseygirl Mar 16th 2018 3:27 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by Anna Maria (Post 12463802)
Thank you

It would help if you could quote the post you are answering. If not we often have no idea what you are referring to. You can do this by hitting the blue “Quote” tab at the bottom right hand side of the post you are replying to. ;)

steve of 5-0 Mar 29th 2018 3:52 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
Hi all...we fly back to the UK in a few months after nearly 15 years in Canada. Various cities including Ft. McMurray and last will be Edmonton are just a few of the places we have lived in. Political Correctness here in Canada prevails and is so out of control. Here in Edmonton the culture is...what else can we do for the down and outs! TV news brings a daily diet of hard luck stories about lazy good for nothings! The only people here with any brains are first generation western Europeans! Those born here take no responsibility for their actions...they blame others. <snip>
Provincial Governments are at war with "Peter Pan" and his Federal Liberal Government.
<snip>

Benson55 Mar 29th 2018 5:14 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
Have to agree 100% with you as its the same in BC and getting worse.
Its a culture of people thinking they are entitles to hand outs, too many goody goodies harping on and on all the time, high taxes to pay for it all, no culture and the feeling of being hopeless.
<snip > crime is rampant, the courts don't support the Police where morale is rock bottom.
I can't wait to get out.

HKG3 Mar 29th 2018 5:23 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by steve of 5-0 (Post 12472622)
Hi all...we fly back to the UK in a few months after nearly 15 years in Canada. Various cities including Ft. McMurray and last will be Edmonton are just a few of the places we have lived in. Political Correctness here in Canada prevails and is so out of control. Here in Edmonton the culture is...what else can we do for the down and outs! TV news brings a daily diet of hard luck stories about lazy good for nothings! The only people here with any brains are first generation western Europeans! Those born here take no responsibility for their actions...they blame others. <snipped>
Provincial Governments are at war with "Peter Pan" and his Federal Liberal Government.
<snipped>!

This news article from the BBC News website may interest you -

Does Justin Trudeau apologise too much? - BBC News

Richard8655 Mar 29th 2018 6:34 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
Sorry, but this all sounds a little racist to me. When we lived in Ontario, I was proud of the social programs there that helped those of all colors who were in need. There were plenty of people of European and Anglo origin who had difficulty finding jobs in a suppressed economic climate. At some point, many of us become down and out and appreciate a system that has a social safety net. Universal health care included, not found down here in the states.

As I recall from history, the “Indians” (indigenous peoples) were treated like s*** for a few hundred years until not that long ago in North America.

RLR Mar 29th 2018 9:30 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
In UK the situation is not much better now. Brexit, crime, less money for NHS and education. Everything starts from education. If we do not teach children, we won't have responsible workers.

Warwickshireboy Mar 30th 2018 2:20 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by Iaop (Post 12454043)
Hi everyone,

I just wanted to write a quick note to thank you all for sharing your opinions and ecperiences. I have lived in Toronto for 18 months. My company sent me and my husband over here on an international work secondment. Now the contract is coming to an end and I am being offered a full time permanent position here, but it doesnt feel right and I dont want the job. Whenever I speak to someone about wanting to move back home (South Wales), the usual response is to say how nuts I must be and how everything is better in Canada. My husband and I don't feel this way, for many reasons but I was hearing the same message from so many people, "the UK is in a mess, Canada is the la d of opportunity, you'd be crazy to give it up", that I was seriously starting to doubt myself. Thank you for showing me that there are people with the same opinions as me.

Thank you from me too! I've been living in Canada since I was six and am now seventeen. I've never felt at home here, and have always felt much happier and more comfortable on visits back to the UK. A huge part of this is all our extended family is there, where as here I have nobody. I think overall it really depends on a variety of factors and personal experience, and the right place to live is different for everyone.

Louise Hedley Mar 30th 2018 3:24 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by steve of 5-0 (Post 12397319)
Let me add my two pennies worth...My wife and I came to Canada in 2004 and became Citizens in 2009. We started in NB and gradually moved west via Winnipeg...we are now in Edmonton AB. We have decided to return to the UK by early 2019...Ask us why?...We hate the fact that this country is populated by a vast majority of people who do not accept responsibility for their own actions, it's always someone else's fault and not their own. Also there is a sense of entitlement here that is so in-grained in the culture that law enforcement agencies are made to almost apologize for doing their job. My wife and I do jobs where we deal with the public face to face on mass everyday, it's like dealing with spoilt children who when they don't get the answer they want...they throw their toys out of the pram!...WARNING...CANADA IS A NATION OF 35 MILLION KIDS...AND WE ARE OFF BACK TO THE UK. Finally we are both PRO-Brexit!

Hi there
We have been in Ottawa since 2001 and at present have our house up for sale and returning to the UK. Have you looked into moving companies yet?

Louise

RLR Apr 5th 2018 6:01 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
Hello everybody. My question is specific. We are in process of selling our house in BC and moving to UK. We have a buyer but completion day is not set yet. After completion we will go to Calgary for couple weeks and then fly to UK.
The question is - how to cancel Telus internet and phone? They said that we can inform them 24 hrs before we want to disconnect internet and they will send us a box to return their equipment (WiFi router). It is about week to wait for the box. With canadian post can be even much longer. We are not staying in B&B just for waiting this box. And we can not close Telus account until they receive this router, and we can not cancel DD, we can not close bank account.
They offered other option - ask new house owner to do it for us. This is not very good option as somebody will have to go to the post twice - to pick up box and then send it.
Anybody was in such situation? Any advice what to do?

Pretty Flowers Apr 5th 2018 8:20 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by RLR (Post 12476424)
Hello everybody. My question is specific. We are in process of selling our house in BC and moving to UK. We have a buyer but completion day is not set yet. After completion we will go to Calgary for couple weeks and then fly to UK.
The question is - how to cancel Telus internet and phone? They said that we can inform them 24 hrs before we want to disconnect internet and they will send us a box to return their equipment (WiFi router). It is about week to wait for the box. With canadian post can be even much longer. We are not staying in B&B just for waiting this box. And we can not close Telus account until they receive this router, and we can not cancel DD, we can not close bank account.
They offered other option - ask new house owner to do it for us. This is not very good option as somebody will have to go to the post twice - to pick up box and then send it.
Anybody was in such situation? Any advice what to do?

Can you cancel early while you are still at the house? So you get the box for the box before you leave for Calgary?

RLR Apr 5th 2018 9:45 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by Pretty Flowers (Post 12476476)
Can you cancel early while you are still at the house? So you get the box for the box before you leave for Calgary?

If I cancel before then I won't be able to use internet and phone. My mobile is very expensive and charge for outgoing and incoming 30 c per minute. Also already can not imagine life without internet. And if the deal fell through then we will have to reconnect and start again.

RLR Apr 6th 2018 6:57 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
I asked my question about Telus equipment on their page on FB and they reply very fast with option to send without waiting box to arrive. Use our box but get the special number over the phone during cancellation.
I forgotten about FB. Good option to sort out problems.

PrairieWriter Apr 6th 2018 10:19 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by RLR (Post 12476990)
I asked my question about Telus equipment on their page on FB and they reply very fast with option to send without waiting box to arrive. Use our box but get the special number over the phone during cancellation.
I forgotten about FB. Good option to sort out problems.

You might also be able to buy a pay-as-you-go hotspot and use that for a few days? Some are pretty cheap now, and they're quite reliable (we have one!).

RLR Apr 6th 2018 10:21 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
PrairieWriter thank you, good option for few days.

Jerseygirl Apr 6th 2018 11:14 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
Subscribe to Netflix. Sometimes they have 1 month promo. You can cancel anytime.

RLR Apr 6th 2018 11:27 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
I am about internet cancellation, not about netflix.

Jerseygirl Apr 7th 2018 12:03 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by RLR (Post 12477094)
I am about internet cancellation, not about netflix.

Yes of course...without it you cannot get Netflix. :o Although you could download programs and watch them without internet connection at a later date.

Billyjoe Apr 7th 2018 12:51 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 
Hi

Although I do not know what part of Scotland you are from; I am in regular contact with family who live in Angus (2 hrs from Glasgow). They visit Glasgow regularly.

I am in agreement that a holiday would be a good idea for your spouse to have an idea of the area of where you would like to live and what it would be like as the lifestyle there is different from Toronto.

Also, since you left Scotland there has been a very large influx of immigration into Scotland which is the main reason Scotland wants to leave the European Union due to the cost as anyone moving to UK automatically gets medical paid for and now low-income housing is becoming a crisis as immigrants are arriving looking for work.

Please note the above is a statement of what is happening. I am an immigrant myself. I just wanted you to have some perspective of what is happening.

I hope this helps you.

moneypenny20 Apr 7th 2018 1:19 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by Billyjoe (Post 12477114)

Hi

Although I do not know what part of Scotland you are from; I am in regular contact with family who live in Angus (2 hrs from Glasgow). They visit Glasgow regularly.

I am in agreement that a holiday would be a good idea for your spouse to have an idea of the area of where you would like to live and what it would be like as the lifestyle there is different from Toronto.

Also, since you left Scotland there has been a very large influx of immigration into Scotland which is the main reason Scotland wants to leave the European Union due to the cost as anyone moving to UK automatically gets medical paid for and now low-income housing is becoming a crisis as immigrants are arriving looking for work.

Please note the above is a statement of what is happening. I am an immigrant myself. I just wanted you to have some perspective of what is happening.

I hope this helps you.

Pretty sure Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in Europe.

yellowroom Apr 9th 2018 2:16 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12477125)
Pretty sure Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in Europe.

yep. Plus all U.K. residents are entitled to medical care (has always been so), and the housing crisis is not as acute in Scotland as it is in London.

Scotland positively welcomes imigrants if you listen to Ms Sturgeon. As long as the aren’t English (jk, I am English married to a Scot)

PrairieWriter Apr 12th 2018 12:25 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12477125)
Pretty sure Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in Europe.

Exactly this! We're moving back to Scotland next year and are heartened by the Scots' tendency toward inclusivity rather than fear and hostility. My brother and dad have lived in Scotland for many years and I've spent months there and have loved it! Lovely place; lovely people. :cool:

TrickyTreeRed Apr 12th 2018 2:04 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12477125)
Pretty sure Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in Europe.

The June 2016 referendum was about the European Union - not the continent of Europe.

That being said, most parts of Scotland are lovely and the Scottish people are normally very welcoming.

macadian Apr 12th 2018 2:07 am

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by PrairieWriter (Post 12480148)
Exactly this! We're moving back to Scotland next year and are heartened by the Scots' tendency toward inclusivity rather than fear and hostility. My brother and dad have lived in Scotland for many years and I've spent months there and have loved it! Lovely place; lovely people. :cool:

Each to their own and individual aspirations. Good luck with your move to Scotland. I'm happy with my lot here in Canada, having moved from the Glagow area going on fourteen years ago now. I do miss some aspects of life in Scotland however not enough to induce me sufficiently to move back. As I say, hope your move is all you wish for.

seascape Apr 12th 2018 8:22 pm

Re: Moving back to UK from Canada
 

Originally Posted by biggayowl (Post 12420005)
Some random thoughts on the points in bold.

Having recently moved from Vancouver to Edinburgh, I find the cost of living roughly the same, with no real improvement in living standards. Electricity is more expensive here, (most) food is cheaper. But throw in Council Tax (as a renter) and we're worse off for sure - I realise Property Tax is a serious business for property owners.

Is property on the coast of Devon and Cornwall really much cheaper than The Island? Sooke seems pretty affordable for instance. I agree wholeheartedly about the appalling nature of the real estate market in BC - it's a racket, but hopefully the new provincial Government will try to do something about that. In terms of aesthetics, I'm not sure which is worse - condo towers or bland brick boxes here.

A pint of beer is around 4.50 a pint here now - about $7 which is roughly what I was paying in Vancouver.

Agree people can be more genuine here, but not sure they're friendlier.

All in all I miss BC and we're seriously considering a move back - If you enjoy the lifestyle there then it's simply not attainable in the UK.

And watch out for Brexit (if it's going to happen) - at least Canada doesn't have to contend with that clusterf+ck.

Interesting, we are in Edinburgh (I’m Scottish, wife Canadian and ex Vancouver) and thinking about where we might go in a few years time, BC, ON, or NS perhaps! Edinburgh is a great city but you only live once, the mess of Brexit makes Europe a bit more doubtful as an option.


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