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Moving back and shipping our dog 6 months later?

Old Nov 9th 2020, 11:29 am
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Has anyone moved to the UK and left their dog behind for a few months? The details of bringing a dog back are fairly straightforward, but it's less clear what you do if your dog travels separately. (We think that we'll be in a state of flux for a few months, and renting a house for 6 months with a pet seems much harder in the UK.)

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Has anyone moved to the UK and left their dog behind for a few months? The details of bringing a dog back are fairly straightforward, but it's less clear what you do if your dog travels separately. (We think that we'll be in a state of flux for a few months, and renting a house for 6 months with a pet seems much harder in the UK.)

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Hi Jonathan, welcome to BE. See this link for the info you're looking for
Your pet must arrive in the UK no more than 5 days before or after you, or you’ll have to follow different rules.
https://www.gov.uk/bring-pet-to-uk
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Yes, hence my question. I've been through the government web site repeatedly without finding anything useful. Has anyone had experience with the "different rules"? It seems that the move becomes a "commercial transfer", but I can't find the details.

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Yes, hence my question. I've been through the government web site repeatedly without finding anything useful. Has anyone had experience with the "different rules"? It seems that the move becomes a "commercial transfer", but I can't find the details.

Thanks, Jonathan
Have you read all the information that's given by clicking on different rules in the link I provided? Step by step guidance is provided. You can't import your dog under the 'personal import of animals' rules if you'll be arriving more than 5 days before or 5 days after the dog. So the guidance provided by following the relevant links below is what you need to do.

Contents

  1. Animals and germplasm covered by Balai
  2. Movement between the UK and EU countries
  3. Movement between the UK and non-EU countries
  4. Holdings in the UK and EU
  5. Licences you may need
  6. Bringing in rabies-susceptible animals to the UK
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Sorry, I must be missing something obvious. As I said, I've been through the government site repeatedly and not found what I need.
  • The Balai directive mentions wild dogs only, not pets other than a link to the original pets page.
  • The "importing animals from non-EU countries" link again directs you to the 5-day-rule, but also mentions getting a license for importation. There's no license listed for pets, but it seems strange to require a new license for a pet.
  • It also says "complete form RM01 to apply for a specific license for animals (excluding pet dogs, cats or ferrets)", but doesn't give an indicate of what to do for pets
Generally there's a circular link of where the "+/- 5 days" page redirects you to other pages, which then direct you back to the "+/- 5 days" page for pets.

What am I missing?

(I can't post URLs as I'm a new member.)
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I found this web site with some useful insight, but I'm not sure how well it lines up with the actual UK government requirements. United Kingdom Pet Passport - Current Dog and Cat Import Requirements for Transport
[size=13px]Commercial Transport to the United Kingdom from a rabies-free or rabies-controlled country outside of the European Union:

Regulations in steps 1 and 2 apply. Step 3 does not apply.[/size]

A licensed veterinarian in the originating country must complete the commercial EU health certificate within 48 hours of travel. If your pet is traveling from the United States, the veterinarian must be accredited by the USDA for endorsement by the State USDA unless the certificate is completed by a military Veterinary Corps Officer or GS-0701 series civilian government veterinarian employed by the military. NOTE: Military and governement veterinarians in the United States will no longer be authorized to endorse health certificates for the United Kingdom after the UK withdraws from the European Union. All health certificates for pet owners in the military must be endorsed by USDA State Offices when originating in the United States.

The CFIA must endorse forms issued by Canadian veterinarians.

If traveling to the United Kingdom from another country, then the forms must be endorsed by the government agency in your country that is responsible for the import and export of animals.

This form is good for transports of 5 or less dogs, cats or ferrets. The form is good for 4 months of travel within the EU as long as the rabies vaccination documented on it does not expire.

Your pet must enter through an approved Border Inspection Post (BIP) at an international airport in London Heathrow, Gatwick or Edinburgh. Notice must be given at least 48 hours prior to arrival.

All dogs must be vaccinated against distemper.
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Has anyone moved to the UK and left their dog behind for a few months? The details of bringing a dog back are fairly straightforward, but it's less clear what you do if your dog travels separately. (We think that we'll be in a state of flux for a few months, and renting a house for 6 months with a pet seems much harder in the UK.)

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Not done that but here is some info. To avoid animals being brought in for illegal resale or breeding as 'owned pets' the 5 day rule helps ensure a pet is linked to an owner, I was told at heathrow.

If an animal is being brought in without an owner a different set of paperwork is needed. It is indeed classed as a commercial movement (and the livestock regs seem to apply) . In the EU a government vet has to fill a specific form in.

You could ask a pet relocation travel specialist about this to see what they say. Where are you travelling from?

Pet travel companies can find a fosterers in the UK or board pets for a short period while you find accommodation in the UK, if you are not getting it beforehand.

However if you are solely concerned about being unable to rent with your dog, it is possible to rent with a dog, particularly outside London and in a ground floor flats or house with garden. When I worked in relocation we placed many, many families with dogs in rental. Properties outside London mainly rent unfurnished so the landlords are not that bothered.

You may have to pay a slightly higher deposit. For the future an MP has produced a bill to allow people to have pets in rentals.

(https://www.landlordzone.co.uk/news/...n-by-landlords)

We used to do this and it worked well. I suggest you write a 'bio' of your dog with photo for the estate agents. Breed, Age, temperament, showing he is part of the family. The other important aspect is to confirm that one of you will be at home during the day, Or that the dog goes to doggy day care or has dog walkers visiting to take him out . So that the dog will not be left alone for long periods of time. This is the main thing landlords are worried about, barking dogs if owners out all day.
Many landlords like six months rent to start with so they see if they are happy with their tenants.

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Hi, I brought 2 dogs over from Australia to UK on the same flight. They were in the hold in airline approved crates. After landing at Heathrow they were checked and monitored for 4hrs then delivered to me at the place we were staying at. I used Jetpets An international company. Leaving them behind wasn’t something I would entertain not even for a few weeks.
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Has anyone moved to the UK and left their dog behind for a few months? The details of bringing a dog back are fairly straightforward, but it's less clear what you do if your dog travels separately. (We think that we'll be in a state of flux for a few months, and renting a house for 6 months with a pet seems much harder in the UK.)

Thanks!

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We moved back to the UK in 2010 so the rules may of changed but we left our very much loved dog at the Kennels where she was boarding for 6 weeks, (they also arranged flights and paper work for our pet) we picked her up at Manchester Airport and all was well and good (she's 16 next) . Good luck
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Has anyone moved to the UK and left their dog behind for a few months? The details of bringing a dog back are fairly straightforward, but it's less clear what you do if your dog travels separately. (We think that we'll be in a state of flux for a few months, and renting a house for 6 months with a pet seems much harder in the UK.)

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Hi again. The best advice I can offer is start getting quotes from international pet transport and they will guide you through what you need to do and what quarantine requirements there are if any. The only thing I needed to do was get Rabies jabs and check all the vaccinations were put to date by the vet with certificates as proof. With regards to landlords there are places that allow animals. The UK is more pet friendly add certainly more dog friendly than Australia. Hope this helps. Good luck.
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Has anyone moved to the UK and left their dog behind for a few months? The details of bringing a dog back are fairly straightforward, but it's less clear what you do if your dog travels separately. (We think that we'll be in a state of flux for a few months, and renting a house for 6 months with a pet seems much harder in the UK.)

Thanks!

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Hi, where are you moving from? we found rentals allowing pets to be very accommodating here in the UK, we have had 4 rentals (long story lol) and all excepted our pet (dog), my friend liked at home that said no pets so she offered a pet bond and references from her last rental agent (overseas) and she had no problems. Good luck
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We're moving from the US (Charlotte). We'll be retiring and we're not sure where we will live, so we plan on moving around for a few weeks at least. We can leave our dog with a family member in the US, and possibly have them come over with the dog when they visit us.
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How does the dog feel about your plans ?
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How does the dog feel about your plans ?
I think Rusty, our 9-isn year old redbone coonhound will be very happy at my Son's house in Charlotte. A big house, an acre of land, and a friendly face. I'm not sure how Rusty feels about flying, though the statistics show it's nearly as safe for dogs as it is for humans. (Rusty is a rescue, so we're not sure how old he is, but we've had him 8 years.)
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If he is with familiar faces in a familiar place I am sure he will be ok.
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