Moving back British Muslim
Jan 29th 2013, 8:23 am
#76
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Re: Moving back British Muslim
Please understand, I only said _IF_ you were going to push it at people. If not, hopefully you will have no problems at all. It wasn't me wot put it in the post title
And as for people being scared the country is leaving them behind - it is unless they change their attitudes. Change is faster and faster in this day and age, and we can either go with it or try to resist it. Trying to resist it is futile and only causes stress and unhappiness, but it's still the route some people seem to prefer (witness the comments section of the Daily Telegraph - what a cesspool).
Jan 29th 2013, 10:31 am
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Re: Moving back British Muslim
We hear of extremist Christians burning Korans, protesting Gay Pride and funerals sometimes though...and a few abortion doctors in the US have been killed but that's hardly Christlike - Christ was a pacifist. Even the Crusades came off the back of a third of Christendom being annexed by the Muslim Empire...and they failed to retake lands that were previously Christian.
As for the IRA, they are not Catholic terrorists - they are Irish Republican Terrorists who happen to comprise heavily of Irish Catholics. They would hardly have a "Prod squad" if they were doing what they did in the name of Catholicism...and the Catholic Church wouldn't threaten it's members with excommunication if they engaged in IRA activities if they condoned such groups would they?
Muslim terrorists do what they do in the name of political Islam, which was not founded by a pacifist nor teaches pacifism. It would not go away if all their demands were met either - for they will kill other Muslims they don't feel are fundamentalist enough just as easily as us infidels.
Yes there is always media bias - but why would the media report on the beheading of school teachers in front of their class in Thailand in the same light as those dicks in the Westboro Baptist Church?
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As for the IRA, they are not Catholic terrorists - they are Irish Republican Terrorists who happen to comprise heavily of Irish Catholics. They would hardly have a "Prod squad" if they were doing what they did in the name of Catholicism...and the Catholic Church wouldn't threaten it's members with excommunication if they engaged in IRA activities if they condoned such groups would they?
Muslim terrorists do what they do in the name of political Islam, which was not founded by a pacifist nor teaches pacifism. It would not go away if all their demands were met either - for they will kill other Muslims they don't feel are fundamentalist enough just as easily as us infidels.
Yes there is always media bias - but why would the media report on the beheading of school teachers in front of their class in Thailand in the same light as those dicks in the Westboro Baptist Church?
N.
Jan 29th 2013, 11:32 am
#78
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Re: Moving back British Muslim
As far as the media are concerned, I do think there is bias in how different religions are reported.
You often read, or hear about the actions of "Muslim extremists", but rarely if ever about "Christian extremists" or "Protestant extremists". Similarly, it is usually "Muslim extremists" (not Al Quaeda extremists), but "IRA terrorists" (not Catholic terrorists).
You often read, or hear about the actions of "Muslim extremists", but rarely if ever about "Christian extremists" or "Protestant extremists". Similarly, it is usually "Muslim extremists" (not Al Quaeda extremists), but "IRA terrorists" (not Catholic terrorists).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7232661.stm
Jan 30th 2013, 5:56 pm
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Re: Moving back British Muslim
Hello everyone, thanks for taking the time to view my post. 15 years ago I acquired British citizenship. Then being a Muslim in the UK was unremarkable. Even after 9/11 and 7/7 I never felt I was in anyway not at 'home' - despite the fact that I lived in an all-white area. In 2008 I went abroad with husband and kids for new work opportunities. Now we are on the verge of moving back. Apart from all the other small panics that one naturally has while making a big move, I have been sent into a tizzy by repeated Daily Mail headlines which make me feel like my kids will be hated in the UK. I must add during my visits back to the UK I never felt that anyone was making me feel out of place - in fact everyone was very nice and kind as has been my usual experience in the UK. In fact I felt slightly foolish for letting DM headlines worry me. However as everyone knows visiting is one thing and moving back with kids going to a school is quite another. Do you think it is going to be really hard? What should I be prepared for? I am really worried about this. Any help is appreciated. I must add we are not stereotypical Muslims - my husband does not have a beard, I wear skirts and we look 'normal'... I say that without intending to offend anyone else.. Your advice and views are accepted with thanks.
Jan 31st 2013, 2:13 am
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Re: Moving back British Muslim
)Personally I hope that the OP experiences nothing but a lovely kind welcome from her new neighbours. If I happen to be one of them I'll be inviting her round for tea and cake (haha, the trap is set
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Jan 31st 2013, 2:19 am
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Re: Moving back British Muslim
Well, this looks like how it is going now; one country - two systems. Bloody marvellous:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7232661.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7232661.stm
Just because a hypocrite in a silly hat says it, doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Jan 31st 2013, 6:45 am
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Re: Moving back British Muslim
I just don't get it, I mean religion in general, any religion, it's just brainwashed conditioning done to influential childrens minds and should be banned as a form of child abuse. - I think it should be against the law globally to tell anyone about religion of any form until they are over 21, then let them make up their own minds.
Jan 31st 2013, 9:55 am
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Re: Moving back British Muslim
Most Archaeologist would get a chuckle out of the thought that minorities in the UK are indigenous to the UK. Some may have been there for many years but does that qualify as being indigenous?
America is a very young country in comparison to nations such as China,the UK,Germany.So the measuring stick to determine the term "indigenous" is naturally going to have layers in most every country of the world(including the UK) but in America the layers are going to be more recent and less complicated. Native Americans are the "true" indigenous Americans.No question about that.But in comparing which groups for the purpose of this conversation, I was referring to people that have a multi-generational family tree in America. That is why I mention "those that built this nation". I also mentioned people that immigrated here in the 1800's. Its all just conversation.
America is a very young country in comparison to nations such as China,the UK,Germany.So the measuring stick to determine the term "indigenous" is naturally going to have layers in most every country of the world(including the UK) but in America the layers are going to be more recent and less complicated. Native Americans are the "true" indigenous Americans.No question about that.But in comparing which groups for the purpose of this conversation, I was referring to people that have a multi-generational family tree in America. That is why I mention "those that built this nation". I also mentioned people that immigrated here in the 1800's. Its all just conversation.
Jan 31st 2013, 10:00 am
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Re: Moving back British Muslim
I get what you're saying - BUT - RACISM, if it rears its vile little head, will be because of the OP's RACE, as evidenced by her appearance, or by what she says in their hearing. That's all people who don't know her will have to go on. I'm not sure it helps dragging religion into it at all (and honestly, with the trouble it's caused over the ages, it's about time we bl**y banned it, all of it )
Personally I hope that the OP experiences nothing but a lovely kind welcome from her new neighbours. If I happen to be one of them I'll be inviting her round for tea and cake (haha, the trap is set)
)Personally I hope that the OP experiences nothing but a lovely kind welcome from her new neighbours. If I happen to be one of them I'll be inviting her round for tea and cake (haha, the trap is set
)
Jan 31st 2013, 10:26 am
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Re: Moving back British Muslim
We hear of extremist Christians burning Korans, protesting Gay Pride and funerals sometimes though...and a few abortion doctors in the US have been killed but that's hardly Christlike - Christ was a pacifist. Even the Crusades came off the back of a third of Christendom being annexed by the Muslim Empire...and they failed to retake lands that were previously Christian.
As for the IRA, they are not Catholic terrorists - they are Irish Republican Terrorists who happen to comprise heavily of Irish Catholics. They would hardly have a "Prod squad" if they were doing what they did in the name of Catholicism...and the Catholic Church wouldn't threaten it's members with excommunication if they engaged in IRA activities if they condoned such groups would they?
Muslim terrorists do what they do in the name of political Islam, which was not founded by a pacifist nor teaches pacifism. It would not go away if all their demands were met either - for they will kill other Muslims they don't feel are fundamentalist enough just as easily as us infidels.
Yes there is always media bias - but why would the media report on the beheading of school teachers in front of their class in Thailand in the same light as those dicks in the Westboro Baptist Church?
N.
As for the IRA, they are not Catholic terrorists - they are Irish Republican Terrorists who happen to comprise heavily of Irish Catholics. They would hardly have a "Prod squad" if they were doing what they did in the name of Catholicism...and the Catholic Church wouldn't threaten it's members with excommunication if they engaged in IRA activities if they condoned such groups would they?
Muslim terrorists do what they do in the name of political Islam, which was not founded by a pacifist nor teaches pacifism. It would not go away if all their demands were met either - for they will kill other Muslims they don't feel are fundamentalist enough just as easily as us infidels.
Yes there is always media bias - but why would the media report on the beheading of school teachers in front of their class in Thailand in the same light as those dicks in the Westboro Baptist Church?
N.
Last edited by DriftingBack; Jan 31st 2013 at 10:29 am.
Jan 31st 2013, 4:38 pm
#87
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Re: Moving back British Muslim
I just don't get it, I mean religion in general, any religion, it's just brainwashed conditioning done to influential childrens minds and should be banned as a form of child abuse. - I think it should be against the law globally to tell anyone about religion of any form until they are over 21, then let them make up their own minds.
This extreme atheism whereby people almost want to convert others into atheists is just as bad as what the atheists themselves are trying to degenerate.
Jan 31st 2013, 4:40 pm
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Re: Moving back British Muslim
i really dislike this kind of thinking. If you want to follow religion you should be left alone to it just like if you want to believe in nothing.
This extreme atheism whereby people almost want to convert others into atheists is just as bad as what the atheists themselves are trying to degenerate.
This extreme atheism whereby people almost want to convert others into atheists is just as bad as what the atheists themselves are trying to degenerate.
Hardly 'converting others to atheists'.
Jan 31st 2013, 4:47 pm
#89
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Re: Moving back British Muslim
If a family or society believe in something collectively, I see no reason that that could possibly help anyone to exclude a child from this.
Imagine if you had a family unit of 2 adults and 2 kids, one child was old enough to be told about the religion, the younger one not, dont you think that that exclusion would do even more harm?
I went to a Christian nursery, primary, seconday school and college. But today from my own trials and tribulations, I no longer really believe.
So I think just like a parent decides where a kid goes to school what they eat, who they see, what they do; that parent also has the right to teach their kids in whatever religion they see fit.
And as an adult who believes in a certain religion, they should never be felt to be morally or intellectually inferior just because they do believe in the face of angry indignant atheism.
Sadly I work with someone that is just such an atheist and its pretty difficult to be around him as he believes anyone that does believe in something is stupid.
That's really what i'm getting at.
Personally I would love to believe in something again, it makes you feel safe and guided, but I don't; but in the same breath I completely respect those that do have faith and almost feel envious for them.