Living Car-Free in Britain
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I think this highlights a general difference between US and UK. In the UK, so many businesses and services are set up to accommodate people who don't use a car, while in the US the assumption is everyone has a car or can get a ride. I know that supermarket delivery is (and has been for years) ubiquitous in England, while in US it is available some places not not generally.
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I think this highlights a general difference between US and UK. In the UK, so many businesses and services are set up to accommodate people who don't use a car, while in the US the assumption is everyone has a car or can get a ride. I know that supermarket delivery is (and has been for years) ubiquitous in England, while in US it is available some places not not generally.
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One of the things that concerns me about owning a car on our return is getting back on the insurance ladder.
I own a car here in Bangkok and, somehow, have managed to build up a full NCB, not easy here I can assure you.
I suspect I'm going to have to start from scratch again in the UK with insurance costing as much, or more, than a little run around.
I own a car here in Bangkok and, somehow, have managed to build up a full NCB, not easy here I can assure you.
I suspect I'm going to have to start from scratch again in the UK with insurance costing as much, or more, than a little run around.
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One of the things that concerns me about owning a car on our return is getting back on the insurance ladder.
I own a car here in Bangkok and, somehow, have managed to build up a full NCB, not easy here I can assure you.
I suspect I'm going to have to start from scratch again in the UK with insurance costing as much, or more, than a little run around.
I own a car here in Bangkok and, somehow, have managed to build up a full NCB, not easy here I can assure you.
I suspect I'm going to have to start from scratch again in the UK with insurance costing as much, or more, than a little run around.
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I would consider myself a relatively frugal car owner. I only buy used cars, usually for less than £5,000 and usually a low-end model. My driving is generally restricted to work and back, often not 5 days a week (I am fortunate to have flexibility to work from home on at least one day a week). I am also a cautious driver, so no prangs, and I don't replace my car until it is on its last legs.
Having said that, I'd estimate my car-running costs per annum as around £3,400 p.a.:
Insurance £200
Tax £180
Petrol £700 (I drive less than 5k miles per year)
Repairs £1,000 (* see below)
Replacement £1,000 (* see below)
AA breakdown cover £300
TOTAL £3,380
I think depending on what sort of car you buy, you can average about £2,000 p.a. on repair/replacement. I may spend a little more on repairs because my car only cost me £3,500 for, at the time, a 7-year-old Skoda hatchback (now 10 years old and starting to show signs of rust but still only has 44,000 miles and mechanically sound).
Anyway, for those trying to calculate the cost of public transport and occasionally hiring a car, using a taxi, etc.,
I thought these figures might be a helpful indicator for a modest car budget for a modest car lifestyle. Evens out at about £280 per month.
Having said that, I'd estimate my car-running costs per annum as around £3,400 p.a.:
Insurance £200
Tax £180
Petrol £700 (I drive less than 5k miles per year)
Repairs £1,000 (* see below)
Replacement £1,000 (* see below)
AA breakdown cover £300
TOTAL £3,380
I think depending on what sort of car you buy, you can average about £2,000 p.a. on repair/replacement. I may spend a little more on repairs because my car only cost me £3,500 for, at the time, a 7-year-old Skoda hatchback (now 10 years old and starting to show signs of rust but still only has 44,000 miles and mechanically sound).
Anyway, for those trying to calculate the cost of public transport and occasionally hiring a car, using a taxi, etc.,
I thought these figures might be a helpful indicator for a modest car budget for a modest car lifestyle. Evens out at about £280 per month.
Is the AA coverage £300.yr for the vehicle 'Breakdown service' only? That appears expensive & seems like a lot of money?
On the Auto repairs, £1000/yr average, every year?
Given the yearly cost for you since you do mostly local & few KM's per year, it would seem daft to spend £280/mth, that the alternate would be taxi for back & forth to work, then the 'Car club' for other personal use
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Here's another question re living without a car. I owned a car in London before I left and had never rented. If we live car-free in the UK, but want to rent one once in a while, is it like the US where you would pay extra for insurance coverage if you don't already have it?
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Here's another question re living without a car. I owned a car in London before I left and had never rented. If we live car-free in the UK, but want to rent one once in a while, is it like the US where you would pay extra for insurance coverage if you don't already have it?
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Here's another question re living without a car. I owned a car in London before I left and had never rented. If we live car-free in the UK, but want to rent one once in a while, is it like the US where you would pay extra for insurance coverage if you don't already have it?
http://www.carrentals.co.uk/
another option is from post#19 from Dunroving
Car Hire Club | UK Leading Car Sharing Club | City Car Club
I checked it out & it appears everything is included
our Standard plan, here is what is included:
-Access to over 840 vehicles in 17 UK cities
24/7 member support
Choice of low emission vehicles - small & medium city cars, estate cars, 7 seat cars & vans
Comprehensive insurance, servicing, fuel and breakdown cover
Exclusive membership offers
No weekend surcharges
Access to selected special offer cars at just £25 per day
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Here's another question re living without a car. I owned a car in London before I left and had never rented. If we live car-free in the UK, but want to rent one once in a while, is it like the US where you would pay extra for insurance coverage if you don't already have it?
In the UK every vehicle has to be insured. That now includes those sat on a private drive and never driven (unless a SORN has been declared) as the rules changed for these type of owners last year. So no more just insuring a vehicle when you want to drive it.
It is a criminal offence to drive another car just on your own insurance unless that car is included in your policy or has it's own valid insurance. i.e if your insurance policy allows you to drive another persons car under third party insurance AND if that car has it's own insurance, you can drive it. Plus if you don't have this, I doubt the insurers would pay out if you had an accident.
ANPR cameras are everywhere. If the police don't catch the driver of an uninsured vehicle at the time (they have ANPR in their cars) the roadside cameras will record the offence. Both the registered car owner who allowed their car to be driven, and the driver (who the car owner must name) will be charged with the offence.
As you can see, the car rental place must insure their car at all times. It will be up to each company what discount they may allow for your own insurance, but if they allow this, do check that they have a valid insurance and tax on that car.
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did a search and found Easirent the cheapest, with two options for a basic no frills vehicle
Car Hire Birmingham Airport | Birmingham Airport Car Hire | Birmingham Airport Car Rental
£13/day or £37/day fully loaded - zero excess charges
Is this a low, medium or high price?
Car Hire Birmingham Airport | Birmingham Airport Car Hire | Birmingham Airport Car Rental
£13/day or £37/day fully loaded - zero excess charges
Is this a low, medium or high price?
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Here's another question re living without a car. I owned a car in London before I left and had never rented. If we live car-free in the UK, but want to rent one once in a while, is it like the US where you would pay extra for insurance coverage if you don't already have it?
If you rent from their non-airport locations they include collision damage waiver as part of the package so, in my experience, you cannot use your credit card to cover the entire rental as this (CDW) must be declined to be eligible - at airports you can as there is typically no damage waiver included but the daily rental charge is higher and you are surcharged for the airport location as well.
I have taken out European excess protection to supplement the damage waiver so that there is then no add-on premium for the excess cover renters typically charge where the charge is not all-in. This costs me about USD40 per annum from Protect Your Bubble - Protection Plans for Phones, Electronics, Rental Cars & More.
For a bit of feedback, what with picking an area to live in which has decent quality public transport - bus and rail and using my buspass and senior railpass plus groupsave3 when tripping as a family (use traveline for all transport time and connection info), getting around has been just fine without wheels of our own, unless we were going somewhere that involves significant exploring.
Train travel can get very expensive, an issue that was brought home to me when www.thetrainline.com emailed me to advise that I had saved just under 1,000 pounds by using them for just some of my train travel from August 1st to the end of the year - admittedly we have gone first class where the charge difference is only a couple of quid (in advance when the savings are huge). I have taken care to use favourable routings that avoid London where this only moderately adds to the travel time and buy in advance wherever possible and these measures can make rail a much cheaper option.
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On the highlight above
Is the AA coverage £300.yr for the vehicle 'Breakdown service' only? That appears expensive & seems like a lot of money?
On the Auto repairs, £1000/yr average, every year?
Given the yearly cost for you since you do mostly local & few KM's per year, it would seem daft to spend £280/mth, that the alternate would be taxi for back & forth to work, then the 'Car club' for other personal use
Is the AA coverage £300.yr for the vehicle 'Breakdown service' only? That appears expensive & seems like a lot of money?
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Given the yearly cost for you since you do mostly local & few KM's per year, it would seem daft to spend £280/mth, that the alternate would be taxi for back & forth to work, then the 'Car club' for other personal use
Year Fee %increase
2006 £171
2007 £201 18%
2008 £211 5%
2009 £222 5%
2010 £235 6%
2011 £245 4%
2012 £275 12%
2013 £287 4%
2014 £306 7%
re: Repair costs, I either have bad luck with cars or the garages see me coming. My car before last (Subaru Legacy estate) I paid for a new exhaust, new clutch and new fuel filler neck (each cost in the £100's) within a year and then something else major went (can't even recall what it was) so I got rid of it P/X for £250. If I had P/X'ed it about 8 months earlier I could have saved myself over £1,000!
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