How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent
Oct 25th 2010, 4:58 pm
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How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent
I am a retired pensioner, married and living here in Thailand, where my state pension is frozen!
With the ever decreasing value of the UK pound, down 34% in the last two years, I can see a time when it may well become necessary to return to England, just to get the updated pension. Especially if the basic rate is increased to £140 per week.
So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad again?
I have asked the Pension Service three times now, and get answers from, "several months to many months to years!!"
Does anyone have a definitive answer?
Cheers for now.
With the ever decreasing value of the UK pound, down 34% in the last two years, I can see a time when it may well become necessary to return to England, just to get the updated pension. Especially if the basic rate is increased to £140 per week.
So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad again?
I have asked the Pension Service three times now, and get answers from, "several months to many months to years!!"
Does anyone have a definitive answer?
Cheers for now.
Oct 25th 2010, 10:48 pm
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Re: How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made perman
I am a retired pensioner, married and living here in Thailand, where my state pension is frozen!
With the ever decreasing value of the UK pound, down 34% in the last two So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad again?
Cheers for now.
With the ever decreasing value of the UK pound, down 34% in the last two So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad again?
Cheers for now.
No, I don't know, but that is why I am returning, amongst other things - I have been here since 2006, and watched my income fall from 73,000 down to 42, 000 (this month the lowest ever). I will tell you in February, as I shall be claiming whatever! Wish me luck! don PS - I should forget the £140, as I don't think that will cure the problem, if it ever happens
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Oct 25th 2010, 10:58 pm
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Re: How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made perman
Out of interest, if someone retired to Australia in 2000 (and therefore received a frozen pension), if they returned to the UK in 2010, would they only receive inflation/cost of living adjustments from that point, or would they be "bumped" all the way to the 2010 level (as if they had never been away)?
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Oct 25th 2010, 11:13 pm
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Re: How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made perman
Out of interest, if someone retired to Australia in 2000 (and therefore received a frozen pension), if they returned to the UK in 2010, would they only receive inflation/cost of living adjustments from that point, or would they be "bumped" all the way to the 2010 level (as if gthey had never been away)?
Oct 25th 2010, 11:32 pm
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Re: How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made perman
I am a retired pensioner, married and living here in Thailand, where my state pension is frozen!
With the ever decreasing value of the UK pound, down 34% in the last two years, I can see a time when it may well become necessary to return to England, just to get the updated pension. Especially if the basic rate is increased to £140 per week.
So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad again?
I have asked the Pension Service three times now, and get answers from, "several months to many months to years!!"
Does anyone have a definitive answer?
Cheers for now.
With the ever decreasing value of the UK pound, down 34% in the last two years, I can see a time when it may well become necessary to return to England, just to get the updated pension. Especially if the basic rate is increased to £140 per week.
So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad again?
I have asked the Pension Service three times now, and get answers from, "several months to many months to years!!"
Does anyone have a definitive answer?
Cheers for now.
Oct 26th 2010, 6:36 am
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Re: How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made perman
as far as I recall, if you return to UK to live "permanently" you will get the current rate as would any other UK pensioner from that moment onwards (no back payments)
if you return for a short trip, you can get this for the period of your time in UK
if you leave UK afterwards, you'll get the rate frozen again if you live in a "frozen" country, but at what rate I do not know given the above two scenarios, logic says scenario one is different to scenario two
for Nun, the appeal against UK government's refusal to pay indexed linked pensions to people living in countries like Canada, Australia and South Africa, has run its course, the UK Government has won its case, full stop. Don't expect any change to the policy of pensioners living abroad.
if you return for a short trip, you can get this for the period of your time in UK
if you leave UK afterwards, you'll get the rate frozen again if you live in a "frozen" country, but at what rate I do not know given the above two scenarios, logic says scenario one is different to scenario two
for Nun, the appeal against UK government's refusal to pay indexed linked pensions to people living in countries like Canada, Australia and South Africa, has run its course, the UK Government has won its case, full stop. Don't expect any change to the policy of pensioners living abroad.
Oct 26th 2010, 7:38 am
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Re: How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made perman
[QUOTE=richard47;8942476]I am a retired pensioner, married and living here in Thailand, where my state pension is frozen!
With the ever decreasing value of the UK pound, down 34% in the last two years, I can see a time when it may well become necessary to return to England, just to get the updated pension. Especially if the basic rate is increased to £140 per week.
So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad again?
I have asked the Pension Service three times now, and get answers from, "several months to many months to years!!"
Does anyone have a definitive answer?
Cheers for now.[/QUOT
Why would you expect to have your pension increased year after year if you spend no money here, no longer contribute to the country and don't pay tax here? I hope the answer is that you have to live permanently here to get the increase, and thereby contribute on an ongoing basis - we are going under here, don't make it worse!
With the ever decreasing value of the UK pound, down 34% in the last two years, I can see a time when it may well become necessary to return to England, just to get the updated pension. Especially if the basic rate is increased to £140 per week.
So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad again?
I have asked the Pension Service three times now, and get answers from, "several months to many months to years!!"
Does anyone have a definitive answer?
Cheers for now.[/QUOT
Why would you expect to have your pension increased year after year if you spend no money here, no longer contribute to the country and don't pay tax here? I hope the answer is that you have to live permanently here to get the increase, and thereby contribute on an ongoing basis - we are going under here, don't make it worse!
Oct 26th 2010, 8:01 am
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Re: How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made perman
Why would you expect to have your pension increased year after year if you spend no money here, no longer contribute to the country and don't pay tax here? I hope the answer is that you have to live permanently here to get the increase, and thereby contribute on an ongoing basis - we are going under here, don't make it worse!
Oct 26th 2010, 9:08 am
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Re: How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made perman
[QUOTE=MNandMN;8943979]
Maybe cause he spent his entire working life paying in in the UK and now doesn't cost the UK anything in healthcare and long term housing 
I am a retired pensioner, married and living here in Thailand, where my state pension is frozen!
With the ever decreasing value of the UK pound, down 34% in the last two years, I can see a time when it may well become necessary to return to England, just to get the updated pension. Especially if the basic rate is increased to £140 per week.
So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad again?
I have asked the Pension Service three times now, and get answers from, "several months to many months to years!!"
Does anyone have a definitive answer?
Cheers for now.[/QUOT
Why would you expect to have your pension increased year after year if you spend no money here, no longer contribute to the country and don't pay tax here? I hope the answer is that you have to live permanently here to get the increase, and thereby contribute on an ongoing basis - we are going under here, don't make it worse!
With the ever decreasing value of the UK pound, down 34% in the last two years, I can see a time when it may well become necessary to return to England, just to get the updated pension. Especially if the basic rate is increased to £140 per week.
So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad again?
I have asked the Pension Service three times now, and get answers from, "several months to many months to years!!"
Does anyone have a definitive answer?
Cheers for now.[/QUOT
Why would you expect to have your pension increased year after year if you spend no money here, no longer contribute to the country and don't pay tax here? I hope the answer is that you have to live permanently here to get the increase, and thereby contribute on an ongoing basis - we are going under here, don't make it worse!
Oct 26th 2010, 9:14 am
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Re: How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made perman
I am a retired pensioner, married and living here in Thailand, where my state pension is frozen!
With the ever decreasing value of the UK pound, down 34% in the last two years, I can see a time when it may well become necessary to return to England, just to get the updated pension. Especially if the basic rate is increased to £140 per week.
So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad again?
I have asked the Pension Service three times now, and get answers from, "several months to many months to years!!"
Does anyone have a definitive answer?
Cheers for now.
With the ever decreasing value of the UK pound, down 34% in the last two years, I can see a time when it may well become necessary to return to England, just to get the updated pension. Especially if the basic rate is increased to £140 per week.
So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad again?
I have asked the Pension Service three times now, and get answers from, "several months to many months to years!!"
Does anyone have a definitive answer?
Cheers for now.
Oct 26th 2010, 1:10 pm
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Re: How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made perman
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MNandMN,
You have a cheek, assuming folks ourside UK pay no tax, Sorry to disillusion you! I probably pay more Tax than you do living there. my tax went UP when I left 4 years ago, That is why I am returning. I also buy, specail foods, which I have shipped, here, and I maintain a house there, on which I pay upkeep services, etc.,(redecorated, and new gas fittings, and shower installed) So, .Please - do not assume, Regards dontheturner
I am a retired So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad .[/QUOT
Why would you expect to have your pension increased year after year if you spend no money here, no longer contribute to the country and don't pay tax here? I hope the answer is that you have to live permanently here to get the increase, and thereby contribute on an ongoing basis - we are going under here, don't make it worse!
Why would you expect to have your pension increased year after year if you spend no money here, no longer contribute to the country and don't pay tax here? I hope the answer is that you have to live permanently here to get the increase, and thereby contribute on an ongoing basis - we are going under here, don't make it worse!
You have a cheek, assuming folks ourside UK pay no tax, Sorry to disillusion you! I probably pay more Tax than you do living there. my tax went UP when I left 4 years ago, That is why I am returning. I also buy, specail foods, which I have shipped, here, and I maintain a house there, on which I pay upkeep services, etc.,(redecorated, and new gas fittings, and shower installed) So, .Please - do not assume, Regards dontheturner
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Oct 26th 2010, 1:48 pm
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Re: How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made perman
Many thanks for all your replies, most helpful some not so!
By the way, like a lot of folk who live abroad, I still pay UK tax and the money I save the government every year by not being there, is substantial.
If, and I emphasize if, the basic rate goes up to £140 then an awful lot of people will be returning. Maybe at that point the government will see some common sense!
I was told by the Pension Service that if I returned I would be paid the current rate of pension from day 1. You will not get the accumulated rate over the years you have been away.
Don. I look forward to hearing of your experiences in February.
Cheers for now.
By the way, like a lot of folk who live abroad, I still pay UK tax and the money I save the government every year by not being there, is substantial.
If, and I emphasize if, the basic rate goes up to £140 then an awful lot of people will be returning. Maybe at that point the government will see some common sense!
I was told by the Pension Service that if I returned I would be paid the current rate of pension from day 1. You will not get the accumulated rate over the years you have been away.
Don. I look forward to hearing of your experiences in February.
Cheers for now.
Oct 26th 2010, 2:08 pm
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Re: How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made perman
Many thanks for all your replies, most helpful some not so!
By the way, like a lot of folk who live abroad, I still pay UK tax and the money I save the government every year by not being there, is substantial.
If, and I emphasize if, the basic rate goes up to £140 then an awful lot of people will be returning. Maybe at that point the government will see some common sense!
I was told by the Pension Service that if I returned I would be paid the current rate of pension from day 1. You will not get the accumulated rate over the years you have been away.
Don. I look forward to hearing of your experiences in February.
Cheers for now.
By the way, like a lot of folk who live abroad, I still pay UK tax and the money I save the government every year by not being there, is substantial.
If, and I emphasize if, the basic rate goes up to £140 then an awful lot of people will be returning. Maybe at that point the government will see some common sense!
I was told by the Pension Service that if I returned I would be paid the current rate of pension from day 1. You will not get the accumulated rate over the years you have been away.
Don. I look forward to hearing of your experiences in February.
Cheers for now.
Oct 26th 2010, 5:33 pm
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Re: How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made perman
As I understand it from here, if you are already a pensioner you will remain on the existing arrangements. This will only apply to people retiring after 2015.
I am a retired pensioner, married and living here in Thailand, where my state pension is frozen!
With the ever decreasing value of the UK pound, down 34% in the last two years, I can see a time when it may well become necessary to return to England, just to get the updated pension. Especially if the basic rate is increased to £140 per week.
So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad again?
I have asked the Pension Service three times now, and get answers from, "several months to many months to years!!"
Does anyone have a definitive answer?
Cheers for now.
With the ever decreasing value of the UK pound, down 34% in the last two years, I can see a time when it may well become necessary to return to England, just to get the updated pension. Especially if the basic rate is increased to £140 per week.
So my question is this: How long would I have to stay in England to qualify for the uprated pension to be made permanent, before returning abroad again?
I have asked the Pension Service three times now, and get answers from, "several months to many months to years!!"
Does anyone have a definitive answer?
Cheers for now.
Oct 26th 2010, 6:23 pm
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Re: How long have stay in the UK to qualify for the uprated pension to be made perman
As I understand it from here, if you are already a pensioner you will remain on the existing arrangements. This will only apply to people retiring after 2015.
They do have a habit of getting things hyped up, and wrong.
