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MrsDS Nov 1st 2018 4:32 pm

Dogs: Moving from Canada to the UK
 
Hello everyone

My husband and I are considering a potential move back to the UK from Canada in 2019. We have two large dogs (English Pointers) to take back with us and I am looking for advice on how to do so including:

Advantages/disadvantages of managing everything ourselves, including a general idea of costs
Advantages/disadvantages of using a specialist company to manage the move, including a general idea of costs
Recommendations of companies
Veterinary requirements
Timelines
Any other factors we need to consider

Thank you in advance for any advice you can offer.

verystormy Nov 2nd 2018 7:03 am

Re: Dogs: Moving from Canada to the UK
 
We used a professional pet shippers to move our chihuahua from Australia to UK in 2016 and I am very glad we did. First, the border people at Heathrow are very nice, but very strict about the paperwork and mistakes are not tolerated. While we were picking up our boy, there was a family very upset because their pet had been refused entry because on the paperwork a signature was slightly out of the box it was supposed to be in.

Also, we had a near disaster when hours before the flight, the airline announced an immediate suspension in animal flights. Luckily, the shippers dealt with it all and arranged an alternative flight.

Shipping costs are based on size, we paid about $3000 Australian.

Lorry1 Nov 2nd 2018 1:47 pm

Re: Dogs: Moving from Canada to the UK
 
Hi, we did it ourselves back in 2013 from NS to UK. We shipped back quite a large breed; Labrador/shepherd. We got advice from the airline and the vets. You have to buy a crate large enough for the dog to turn around in. Get dimension costs off airline website. Luckily our vet had already done forms for other people so he knew what to do. Dogs need to be microchipped, wormed and have rabies up to date. Tapeworm must be done no less than 24 hours and no more than 5 days before you enter the UK. All forms must be signed by a vet and endorsed by government veterinarian after all vaccinations are completed. It was very stressful with timings but with good advice we did it and dog was fine came straight through LHR. Look at Gov.UK website and Gov.CA websites for information and everything required. Good luck! :)

brokenhearted. Nov 4th 2018 1:52 pm

Re: Dogs: Moving from Canada to the UK
 
I shipped my Min Pin from US to UK. I read the rules and policy for both the USA and UK government entities involved with this and made a nuisance of myself asking questions every time i wasn't sure of something, but it is better to be safe than sorry - i can concur with previous poster having watched a lady get distressed after her vet failed to specify the proper details on the health certificate regarding the rabies vaccination resulting in her not being allowed to take her dog. Lots of info out there and it may seem daunting - there is also some youtube video's from HARC (Heathrow Animal Reception Centre) if you intend to enter the UK through Heathrow - there is a list of approved airports you can fly into. Also check with the airline you want to use to see what information they can provide - they can also give you a price and i will admit i did have a sharp intake of breath but survived! Try and deal with a Vet that knows this process - it will save a lot of grief (ask me how i know!) I dont know if Cnada and USA have the exact same policies - I would check just in case but I think as far as entering the UK they are both on the listed country group so I would think it is similar if not exactly the same.


Something to get you started: https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad

MrsDS Nov 5th 2018 4:59 pm

Re: Dogs: Moving from Canada to the UK
 

Originally Posted by verystormy (Post 12586665)
We used a professional pet shippers to move our chihuahua from Australia to UK in 2016 and I am very glad we did. First, the border people at Heathrow are very nice, but very strict about the paperwork and mistakes are not tolerated. While we were picking up our boy, there was a family very upset because their pet had been refused entry because on the paperwork a signature was slightly out of the box it was supposed to be in.

Also, we had a near disaster when hours before the flight, the airline announced an immediate suspension in animal flights. Luckily, the shippers dealt with it all and arranged an alternative flight.

Shipping costs are based on size, we paid about $3000 Australian.

Thank you very much for responding verystormy. I have picked up a few tips from this site and I am very much leaning towards using a professional shipper, given that there seem to be many rules. Thanks for taking the time to describe your own experience and I'm glad to hear that your dog made it the the UK safely.

MrsDS Nov 5th 2018 5:02 pm

Re: Dogs: Moving from Canada to the UK
 

Originally Posted by Lorry1 (Post 12586743)
Hi, we did it ourselves back in 2013 from NS to UK. We shipped back quite a large breed; Labrador/shepherd. We got advice from the airline and the vets. You have to buy a crate large enough for the dog to turn around in. Get dimension costs off airline website. Luckily our vet had already done forms for other people so he knew what to do. Dogs need to be microchipped, wormed and have rabies up to date. Tapeworm must be done no less than 24 hours and no more than 5 days before you enter the UK. All forms must be signed by a vet and endorsed by government veterinarian after all vaccinations are completed. It was very stressful with timings but with good advice we did it and dog was fine came straight through LHR. Look at Gov.UK website and Gov.CA websites for information and everything required. Good luck! :)

Thanks so much for this Lorry1. We have two large English Pointers to bring back. First stop I think will be to head to the vets to find out what experience they have, if any. I am leaning towards using a pet shipping company, but the cost makes my eyes water!

MrsDS Nov 5th 2018 5:07 pm

Re: Dogs: Moving from Canada to the UK
 

Originally Posted by brokenhearted. (Post 12587725)
I shipped my Min Pin from US to UK. I read the rules and policy for both the USA and UK government entities involved with this and made a nuisance of myself asking questions every time i wasn't sure of something, but it is better to be safe than sorry - i can concur with previous poster having watched a lady get distressed after her vet failed to specify the proper details on the health certificate regarding the rabies vaccination resulting in her not being allowed to take her dog. Lots of info out there and it may seem daunting - there is also some youtube video's from HARC (Heathrow Animal Reception Centre) if you intend to enter the UK through Heathrow - there is a list of approved airports you can fly into. Also check with the airline you want to use to see what information they can provide - they can also give you a price and i will admit i did have a sharp intake of breath but survived! Try and deal with a Vet that knows this process - it will save a lot of grief (ask me how i know!) I dont know if Cnada and USA have the exact same policies - I would check just in case but I think as far as entering the UK they are both on the listed country group so I would think it is similar if not exactly the same.


Something to get you started: https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad

Thank you very much for sharing your experience brokenhearted and also for the great tips. It hadn't occurred to me to check YouTube. I will check with the airlines re pricing and rules and you are not the first person to advise that I check into my vet's experience with the process. When we shipped our last two dogs out from the UK to Canada over 18 years ago, I recall that it was complicated but nowhere near as strict, or as expensive as it is now! Glad to hear that you had a positive experience with your own dog!

Thanks so much!

Undecided_indecisive Dec 4th 2018 4:04 pm

Re: Dogs: Moving from Canada to the UK
 
I am currently in the process of moving my large 80 pound dog and a cat from Calgary, Alberta, back to the UK. I’m doing it myself using Air Canada cargo. They seem to be the only airline I could find that didn’t require me to use a pet shipping company or that fly direct to Heathrow and so will allow pet travel for that distance. In Heathrow my pets will be picked up from the plane and processed by a company called James Cargo, for just under $400 per pet. This is arranged by Air Canada cargo and is not an option not to use them, but I’m totally fine with that as they check all the paperwork and do all the customs stuff. Once you have your airway bill from them and set up a profile on their website you can also upload your paperwork prior to travel (they need 72hrs) so they can precheck it for you.
Once processed the pets are placed in the animal reception centre at Heathrow for me to collect. I am travelling on the same flight also.
The UK government website has a step by step guide for bringing dogs,cats and ferrets into the UK. It takes a while of uninterrupted reading to make sure all bases are covered and provides you with forms you will need for your vet to complete. This needs to be done within 10 days of travel, they need to be microchipped with an ISO compliant chip , have up to date rabies vaccinations and dogs need tapeworm treatment within 5 days of travel.
I fly December 10th and my vets appointments are Wednesday ( tomorrow) and Thursday of this week.
I was quoted $4800 for both pets from air Canada and this based on weight and size of containers. This is an estimate and I am hoping the final bill will be a bit less once they are weighed at the cargo facility. I pay when I drop them off. This also includes the James Cargo portion of the bill. When I requested a quote through a company it was $5000 just for the dog. I must admit when I checked the Air Canada cargo website I had misinterpreted the costing information and so the $4800 was quite a shock but still cheaper than using a company.
I hope all goes smoothly as I am also travelling with my 2 year old son alone but do have a ride and help from Heathrow!
I hope this information helps.

Sammy2018 Dec 4th 2018 5:48 pm

Re: Dogs: Moving from Canada to the UK
 
Where in the process of moving our dog from Florida to the UK he actually leaves on December 13th. We are using petrelocation out of Texas.
There are a lot of requirements and we maybe a little different than some as we will not be traveling within 5 days of our dog as we are waiting for my husband to approved for a spousal visa. The dog is also on medication and BA will not administer so he is going Frankfurt first then to LHR. The pet relocation company will then transport him North to my mother’s home. Oh and they will be picking him up from his home in Florida and will take him to the airport
Pet relocation company is also taking care of all paper work and communicating with our vet and coordinating visits so we meet all time frame requirements for rabies vaccine etc.
We also had to purchase a kennel that is approved by the airlines and meets the requirements for his size we are also acclimating him to it.
I think there are many different companies who do this and you should price how much it would cost for you to do independently.
The company we are using is called Petrelocation .
Good luck and safe travels fro all




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