Re: Cannot get a job in UK
Try the agency Jobs and recruitment – Michael Page UK | Michael Page (they are international, this is just the British site)
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Re: Cannot get a job in UK
Well it cant be his age as they obviously have a rough idea when they see his degree date
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Re: Cannot get a job in UK
Originally Posted by jamm13dodger
(Post 11666334)
Not always the case I'm afraid, many of our projects in my firm are very short time scales and we need someone who can hit the ground running. Our PMs rarely have the luxury of time or training.
Are there any job adverts you could link to that he didn't have luck with? Sometimes there are clear issues with people expecting to much for too little pay, etc. What I meant by ticking boxes is that it seems to me in London they literally are looking for all boxes ticked. The roles he was meeting for would require someone with PM experience, but would also be expected to be a BA, and Programme Manager. It almost seems that the role/project is doomed from the start. That they literally want blood. One of the jobs was because the PM was on stress leave. |
Re: Cannot get a job in UK
Originally Posted by Globetrotta
(Post 11666453)
I will add my tuppence worth for in 2007 I returned to the UK having been gone and was only 48 then, MBA and 25 years corporate experience even senior management, Fortune 100 companies etc. The UK was then even before GFC all but impossible too old, too experienced and too expensive, prior to this having been in USA this would not have been any issue at all; now things there have changed. I would suggest contract consultancy work, experience could land him opportunities to make tenders on jobs where the company know they have no long term obligation. I do feel for him I would not put year of degree on CV I even left off experience and MBA only got temp work to start and ended up getting a lowly position in sales IBM Cognus BI put got offers from clients (not that my employer was too pleased) I didn't take them I have an issue with ethics but perhaps this is one avenue temp work could lead to something. Hope this helps.
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Re: Cannot get a job in UK
Originally Posted by Englishmum
(Post 11666531)
Try the agency Jobs and recruitment – Michael Page UK | Michael Page (they are international, this is just the British site)
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Re: Cannot get a job in UK
Originally Posted by Isismom
(Post 11666749)
Well it cant be his age as they obviously have a rough idea when they see his degree date
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Re: Cannot get a job in UK
Originally Posted by formula
(Post 11666842)
And he has the qualifactions/experience to get an interview.
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Re: Cannot get a job in UK
Hello Anne
What's happening to your husband is no different than what's happening in the US (and in other parts of the world). Age discrimination could be a factor but I think the reason he can't find work is because companies will have to pay him a lot more than they would a twenty year old. Sorry to say, most corporations today only care about their bottom line. I went back to school, acquired a degree in accounting and the only job I could find is a part-time retail job. :thumbdown: |
Re: Cannot get a job in UK
Originally Posted by LoveFortheUK
(Post 11667007)
Hello Anne
What's happening to your husband is no different than what's happening in the US (and in other parts of the world). Age discrimination could be a factor but I think the reason he can't find work is because companies will have to pay him a lot more than they would a twenty year old. Sorry to say, most corporations today only care about their bottom line. I went back to school, acquired a degree in accounting and the only job I could find is a part-time retail job. :thumbdown: |
Re: Cannot get a job in UK
You're right globetrotta
It WAS about experience. Since the crash of 2008, the relationship between employee and employer, from what I've seen in the US anyway, has gotten worse. Actually I have seen corporate nonsense since the 1990's but that's another story. |
Re: Cannot get a job in UK
Originally Posted by LoveFortheUK
(Post 11667411)
You're right globetrotta
It WAS about experience. Since the crash of 2008, the relationship between employee and employer, from what I've seen in the US anyway, has gotten worse. Actually I have seen corporate nonsense since the 1990's but that's another story. How can it be in such an unstable work environment when one is or was expected to work all the hours God gives even weekends for 2 weeks holiday p.a., be on call, unrealistic demands, and no job guarantee. I recall the adage 'work to live or live to work' was something we used to say late 70's and 80's clearly the former, that is as obsolete as 9 to 5 in USA; it was always about work in at 7am out maybe by 6pm if you were lucky, work on Saturday and get called on Sunday. My corporate experience dates from circa 1980... and from the time I arrived in USA 1977 until I left including 80's the number of layoffs or mergers resulting in downsizing was horrendous, four times by 30, fortunately it was not seen as detrimental personally given the dynamics of corporate USA, especially in banking in 80's. But even at Lockheed they sold our division off made up of 17 different state divisions all to make money to pay off debt, the company that bought us ACS now has also been bought - its all about surfing and swimming, hopefully you get my meaning. But you cannot surf or swim if you can't get to the beach/ocean analogy for getting a job in case I was to cryptic. Playing field has dramatically changed makes me question why I ever bothered - should have known better, still one has great experience and worked with some great people, but I have never gotten another corporate job since 2009 GFC in UK saw to that. Still previous generations have had it worse, but they did not have globalised work forces to contend with. I wish anyone in similar situation the best of luck surviving this purge of the over 50's for we all knew a different time. |
Re: Cannot get a job in UK
Maybe the solution is to become self-employed. One of the strong points of UK life is that it's relatively easy to setup shop, unlike many other EU countries. This will help you get established but allow you to apply for jobs along the way. Good luck.
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Re: Cannot get a job in UK
Originally Posted by Anne
(Post 11666750)
Thanks so much for your response. He very much fully understands that he would need to hit the ground running. He was even in the Uk ready to start immediately if a contract came along.
What I meant by ticking boxes is that it seems to me in London they literally are looking for all boxes ticked. The roles he was meeting for would require someone with PM experience, but would also be expected to be a BA, and Programme Manager. It almost seems that the role/project is doomed from the start. That they literally want blood. One of the jobs was because the PM was on stress leave. |
Re: Cannot get a job in UK
Originally Posted by calman014
(Post 11667703)
Maybe the solution is to become self-employed. One of the strong points of UK life is that it's relatively easy to setup shop, unlike many other EU countries. This will help you get established but allow you to apply for jobs along the way. Good luck.
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Re: Cannot get a job in UK
Originally Posted by Globetrotta
(Post 11667439)
It was never good to start with.
How can it be in such an unstable work environment when one is or was expected to work all the hours God gives even weekends for 2 weeks holiday p.a., be on call, unrealistic demands, and no job guarantee. I recall the adage 'work to live or live to work' was something we used to say late 70's and 80's clearly the former, that is as obsolete as 9 to 5 in USA; it was always about work in at 7am out maybe by 6pm if you were lucky, work on Saturday and get called on Sunday. My corporate experience dates from circa 1980... and from the time I arrived in USA 1977 until I left including 80's the number of layoffs or mergers resulting in downsizing was horrendous, four times by 30, fortunately it was not seen as detrimental personally given the dynamics of corporate USA, especially in banking in 80's. But even at Lockheed they sold our division off made up of 17 different state divisions all to make money to pay off debt, the company that bought us ACS now has also been bought - its all about surfing and swimming, hopefully you get my meaning. But you cannot surf or swim if you can't get to the beach/ocean analogy for getting a job in case I was to cryptic. Playing field has dramatically changed makes me question why I ever bothered - should have known better, still one has great experience and worked with some great people, but I have never gotten another corporate job since 2009 GFC in UK saw to that. Still previous generations have had it worse, but they did not have globalised work forces to contend with. I wish anyone in similar situation the best of luck surviving this purge of the over 50's for we all knew a different time. It's horrifying to think that even Lockheed would cut jobs because of corporate BS. I remember I worked in the banking industry and the bank I worked for was taken over. When the new owners came in they took everything that people vested for years and knocked it down to zero. How disgusting. There were employees six month to maybe three years away from retirement and they lost everything. Titles were stripped, vacation time lowered, etc. That's corporate for you. |
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