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Old Jun 15th 2007, 9:30 am
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If your going to have race riots its better to have it on some nice beach in OZ then some run down grotty council estate in the uK.
My point exactly. May as well grab a cold beer as well, which can then be used as a projectile on finishing.

(note i am not condoning race riots, throwing beer bottles, or, as an englishman, cold beer)

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Prepare for more stories like this in todays Times, taking particular note of the last sentence!!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1935171.ece
It's well understood that public spending has been significantly increased in England since 1997, but that a tremendous amount has also been wasted (eg consultants, pointless administrative jobs, IT "schemes", PFI etc).

If the Scottish Office and later the Scottish Executive have run their affairs more efficiently, then more of the flow-on public spending is available for things that matter to people.
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It's well understood that public spending has been significantly increased in England since 1997, but that a tremendous amount has also been wasted (eg consultants, pointless administrative jobs, IT "schemes", PFI etc).

If the Scottish Office and later the Scottish Executive have run their affairs more efficiently, then more of the flow-on public spending is available for things that matter to people.
I don't know much about how efficient the Scottish Office are.I don't know much about economics.There seemed to be a lot of discontent about the amount of public spending in Scotland compared by how much money is generated through through the private sector.

Compared to Australia there seems to be more of a reliance on government benefits.

Scotland has always been a very socialist country.I think there will have to be a shift to the middle for Scotland to stand on her own feet.
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I don't know much about how efficient the Scottish Office are.I don't know much about economics.There seemed to be a lot of discontent about the amount of public spending in Scotland compared by how much money is generated through through the private sector.
Scottish Office still exists in a cut-down form, but most of its functions in 1999 were transferred to the Scottish Executive.


Scotland has always been a very socialist country.
Always? How did Scotland vote Conservative in the 1950s and produce great free-market thinkers like Adam Smith then?
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Scottish Office still exists in a cut-down form, but most of its functions in 1999 were transferred to the Scottish Executive.




Always? How did Scotland vote Conservative in the 1950s and produce great free-market thinkers like Adam Smith then?
The Tories haven't well in Scotland in the last 30 years.They are thought of as the English Party.
Socialist maybe isn't the right word to describe the Scots.Egalitarian probably is a better word.
During the Opening of the Scottish Parliament they sang "A Man's a Man for all That"-(one of Robert Burns poems).Probably the most common Scots sayings is "Were all Jock Tamson's Bairns".Both mean we are all equal.
(Free education and health care are core values in Scotland).

This of course holds a lot of people back.It's not good to be too successful.A bit like the "tall poppy syndrome" in Oz.Hence the big brain drain from Scotland.
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The Tories haven't well in Scotland in the last 30 years.They are thought of as the English Party.
Socialist maybe isn't the right word to describe the Scots.Egalitarian probably is a better word.
During the Opening of the Scottish Parliament they sang "A Man's a Man for all That"-(one of Robert Burns poems).Probably the most common Scots sayings is "Were all Jock Tamson's Bairns".Both mean we are all equal.
(Free education and health care are core values in Scotland).

This of course holds a lot of people back.It's not good to be too successful.A bit like the "tall poppy syndrome" in Oz.Hence the big brain drain from Scotland.
Well, if egalitariasm can be defined as "the philosophy that each human being is equally worthy of human rights despite one's nation, ethnic group, or gender", then I for one am proud to subscribe to that! And I'm all for 'free' education and 'free' health care, too. In point of fact they are NOT 'free', just paid for in installments, by everyone who pays any kind of taxes (ie everyone) for the common good. These, in my opinion, are cornerstones of a decent nation.

On a separate note, I don't think egalitarianism has anything to do with this so called 'brain drain'. The Scots have always been rovers...wherever you go in the world, you meet a Scot, so they say. I'd be interested to know how many of the brains drained from Scotland nevertheless still consider themselves Scots, and egalitarians, come to that.

And so this message doesn't divert utterly from the original thread, just for the record I wouldn't celebrate a Britain Day. What utter nonsense.
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And so this message doesn't divert utterly from the original thread, just for the record I wouldn't celebrate a Britain Day. What utter nonsense.
If you want to separate from the rest of the United Kingdom then maybe it is "utter nonsense". But it's not "utter nonsense" to Unionists.
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If you want to separate from the rest of the United Kingdom then maybe it is "utter nonsense". But it's not "utter nonsense" to Unionists.
Funnily enough, I wouldn't necessarily want to separate from the rest of the UK. I just think that 'national' days (Australia, Britian, Canada etc) are a waste of time, and can alienate minority groups; Australia Day being an excellent case in point. The problem is, I think, whoever determines the 'national identity' that should be celebrated on that day is bound to go against the grain with some groups. As a Scot, I wouldn't celebrate a 'Scotland Day' either, if there were such a thing.
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If you want to separate from the rest of the United Kingdom then maybe it is "utter nonsense". But it's not "utter nonsense" to Unionists.
So give me a list of what would you do to celibrate being British on "British Day" as oppose to being "English" if England were to get an English Day?
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Funnily enough, I wouldn't necessarily want to separate from the rest of the UK. I just think that 'national' days (Australia, Britian, Canada etc) are a waste of time, and can alienate minority groups; Australia Day being an excellent case in point. The problem is, I think, whoever determines the 'national identity' that should be celebrated on that day is bound to go against the grain with some groups. As a Scot, I wouldn't celebrate a 'Scotland Day' either, if there were such a thing.
So don't you have any Scottish Cultural activities on Java?
I would have thought that at least you would have had a Scottish Country Dance Society or a branch of Scottish Rural Womens' Institute (so you don't forget your grandmother's shortbread recipes).
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Originally Posted by nelsie
So don't you have any Scottish Cultural activities on Java?
I would have thought that at least you would have had a Scottish Country Dance Society or a branch of Scottish Rural Womens' Institute (so you don't forget your grandmother's shortbread recipes).

No. Not where I live; not as far as I know anyway. I wouldn't participate even if they did exist. Heavens, I know my grandmother's shortbread recipe off by heart!! And I country dance in my living room :-))
(Nor, just for the record, do I participate in any 'British' activities either...)
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So give me a list of what would you do to celibrate being British on "British Day" as oppose to being "English" if England were to get an English Day?
Day off from work and a barbecue is a great start. Maybe some fireworks. Just like the Aussies do on 26 January.

Living in a good and free country is as good a reason as any to celebrate once a year.

Incidentally - Britain Day would not be an alternative to St Andrews Day or the equivalents in other parts of the United Kingdom.
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Funnily enough, I wouldn't necessarily want to separate from the rest of the UK. I just think that 'national' days (Australia, Britian, Canada etc) are a waste of time, and can alienate minority groups;
So-called "minority groups" are British citizens like anyone else.


As a Scot, I wouldn't celebrate a 'Scotland Day' either, if there were such a thing.
There is already St Andrews Day.
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So-called "minority groups" are British citizens like anyone else.


Of course they are. But they may not wish to celebrate in the way that Blair and his ilk would have them do. My point is that everyone has their own notion of what constitutes their 'Britishness'. The idea of a 'Britain Day' is mere political hype. I can't wait to see how they plan to celebrate it in Ulster...

There is already St Andrews Day.
That's not the same thing, and it's hardly a national celebration.
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That's not the same thing, and it's hardly a national celebration.
[In reference to St Andrews Day]

But maybe it should be?
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