Avoiding overseas student fees
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Re: Avoiding overseas student fees
I think it is the residency of the student that counts. My partner's parents went to Australia in the August before he started his degree, and have not lived in the UK since. The LEA asked whether my partner had been resident in the last 3 years on the intial form. When his parents moved 4 years ago he moved to his aunts, and that was his home address. He stayed mostly at uni though, and gave his uni address as the contact address. Every year the LEA reassess you, and every year his parents were in australia, and they were been fine about that. They convert the salarys from dollars to pounds etc. So I think all that matters is the residency of the (prospective) student. My partner was 20 when he went to uni though so I dont know if being over 18 makes a difference.
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Re: Avoiding overseas student fees
Originally Posted by dingbat
I understand that a residency requirement does deter education tourism; however, if you paid taxes in the UK for X many years, as I did, I feel aggrieved that I have to pay fees for my kids when it wasn't my choice to get stuck overseas in the first place!
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Re: Avoiding overseas student fees
Originally Posted by cat22
I think it is the residency of the student that counts. My partner's parents went to Australia in the August before he started his degree, and have not lived in the UK since. The LEA asked whether my partner had been resident in the last 3 years on the intial form. When his parents moved 4 years ago he moved to his aunts, and that was his home address. He stayed mostly at uni though, and gave his uni address as the contact address. Every year the LEA reassess you, and every year his parents were in australia, and they were been fine about that. They convert the salarys from dollars to pounds etc. So I think all that matters is the residency of the (prospective) student. My partner was 20 when he went to uni though so I dont know if being over 18 makes a difference.
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Re: Avoiding overseas student fees
Originally Posted by Bob
If you were posted abroad on a temporary basis for work etc, then that won't count against you.
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Re: Avoiding overseas student fees
What really annoys me , & I am sure that this will apply to a lot of people, is that I am STILL paying taxes in the UK as we've left all our life savings there (knowing we were going to be going back eventually) yet despite this my kids are not eligible to be educated.
For anyone else's info I have heard of people who have made their employers agree to cover the 'gap' between home & overseas university fees as part of their ex-pat package - something to bear in mind when negotiating terms ( we couldn't do as it we're employed on a local terms & conditions packege here ).
For anyone else's info I have heard of people who have made their employers agree to cover the 'gap' between home & overseas university fees as part of their ex-pat package - something to bear in mind when negotiating terms ( we couldn't do as it we're employed on a local terms & conditions packege here ).
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Originally Posted by miss piggy
What really annoys me , & I am sure that this will apply to a lot of people, is that I am STILL paying taxes in the UK as we've left all our life savings there (knowing we were going to be going back eventually) yet despite this my kids are not eligible to be educated.
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Re: Avoiding overseas student fees
Originally Posted by miss piggy
That's why we wondered whether having a UK address/paying UK council taxes etc would make any difference - or whether the LEA's actually count the number of days you've been in the UK ?
I would however like to point out one thing...(without having a holier than though attitude - I promise!). Be very careful about any potential 'semi- dodgy" information such as claiming residency due to council tax payments etc. If incorrect (or not-quite-right) info is included on med school/UCAS application forms, it is grounds for a uni to retract an offer or boot out student.
Fudging/lying by doctors - even potential ones - is considered inappropriate behaviour by the GMC, as well as colleagues and the general public.
Feel free to pm me about courses etc.
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Re: Avoiding overseas student fees
Originally Posted by Bob
You've also got to consider that there are a large number of UK citizens that have never set foot in the UK, so would hardly be fair for them to come over for free education just because there parents were citizens and that is how they got it, and never paid taxes...the whole residency is pretty fair, though perhaps 2 years would be better than 3...
If you are a citizen of the UK you should get citizen privileges regardless of how long you've lived there imo. If they have to do a residency test surely one year for citizens (and spouses of citizens) and two years for other perm residents would be a lot fairer?
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Re: Avoiding overseas student fees
Originally Posted by Bob
If you were posted abroad on a temporary basis for work etc, then that won't count against you.
#41
Re: Avoiding overseas student fees
Originally Posted by shauninoz
I've lived in England for 25 years and paid tax since the age of 16. I chose to come over here (Aus) to experience something different for a couple of years. I now find that when I return to the UK i have to pay overseas fees??!! A German citizen who has NEVER lived in the UK can live in Germany their whole life and get home fees! How is this fair?
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Re: Avoiding overseas student fees
Originally Posted by shauninoz
Has anyone done this? I wonder what proof they want? I came to Australia for work but have since got permanent residency...
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Re: Avoiding overseas student fees
Originally Posted by Bob
You've also got to consider that there are a large number of UK citizens that have never set foot in the UK, so would hardly be fair for them to come over for free education just because there parents were citizens and that is how they got it, and never paid taxes...the whole residency is pretty fair, though perhaps 2 years would be better than 3...
#44
Re: Avoiding overseas student fees
Originally Posted by shauninoz
It's not free education. It's still £3K a year minimum. I think a fair solution would be to charge a higher fee for people who are Citizens (but who have been away and cant satsify the 3yr requirement) but allow them to take out a low interest loan to pay for their fees. I want to do a teaching course - I cant get a loan to pay for my fees in either Aus or UK this is meaning I cant do this course for a number of years. Its ridiculous.
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Re: Avoiding overseas student fees
Originally Posted by shauninoz
It's not free education. It's still £3K a year minimum. I think a fair solution would be to charge a higher fee for people who are Citizens (but who have been away and cant satsify the 3yr requirement) but allow them to take out a low interest loan to pay for their fees. I want to do a teaching course - I cant get a loan to pay for my fees in either Aus or UK this is meaning I cant do this course for a number of years. Its ridiculous.
The reason they don't allow student loans, is due to the fact some unscrupulous people would complete the course then leave the UK not paying their fees.
When I was in the USA I had to pay all the fees up front before starting each module. No loan there either.