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Agony over decision to come back to UK

Old May 30th 2020, 5:51 am
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Originally Posted by fastrhino View Post
Just general freedoms such as the freedom to associate, freedom to travel, being able to work and operate a business without the government breathing down your neck, with added rules and red tape.

From what I am seeing coming out of the UK it is concerning how civil liberties are being undermined by this pandemic and we are being told this is the "new normal" and things wont return to any kind of normality until a vaccine.

The Track and Trace seem Orwellian too with sweeping government powers to detain / lock-down people suspected of having come into contact with CV19 with no probable cause or right to appeal.

It seems there is an apathy among the general population around what this means to human rights going forward.

Hard fought freedoms lost in the name of a public health crisis I suspect we have lost forever without another fight to get the back once the crisis has passed.


You want a good safe country for your old Mum, you accept the hard yards now. No moaning. It isn't that tough .

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Old May 30th 2020, 6:25 am
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I'm always puzzled why some people think temporary restrictions designed to protect constitute a loss of 'hard fought freedoms'. What do you suggest was a better response to this disease? What, if any, steps do you think the UK government should have taken?
Many experts are coming out and saying the same thing, protect the vulnerable only, this virus was never a serious threat to healthy people. So the cure now is worse than the disease.

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Default Re: Agony over decision to come back to UK

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Many experts are coming out and saying the same thing, protect the vulnerable only, this virus was never a serious threat to healthy people. So the cure now is worse than the disease.
Your thread title says you are in agony over your decision on whether to move back. It doesn’t sound like you want to come back at all, it sounds like you will be better off staying in WA enjoying all your hard won freedoms.

”Throw out your vulnerable” is not a mantra that is followed here so you wouldn’t be happy living in such a society.
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The New World Order is upon us. Next we will learn that David Icke's stories about our ruler being giant lizards are based on reality.
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Old May 30th 2020, 11:47 am
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Originally Posted by durham_lad View Post
, it sounds like you will be better off staying in WA enjoying all your hard won freedoms.

”Throw out your vulnerable” is not a mantra that is followed here so you wouldn’t be happy living in such a society.
I think it is true to say that hundreds of years of struggle by our forefathers led to us having a liberal democracy with relative freedoms, my grandfather being one of those who fought tyranny in the shape of the Nazis. It would be a shame to lose all that effort and lives lost over this crisis and politicians (everywhere) exploiting the crisis for political power.

I was pretty clear that we should protect the vulnerable and take sensible precautions and ultimately not destroy jobs, businesses and our society will take years to recover.

All of this applies equally to Australia and pretty much every other country so I am not having a dig at the UK.
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I think it is true to say that hundreds of years of struggle by our forefathers led to us having a liberal democracy with relative freedoms, my grandfather being one of those who fought tyranny in the shape of the Nazis. It would be a shame to lose all that effort and lives lost over this crisis and politicians (everywhere) exploiting the crisis for political power.

I was pretty clear that we should protect the vulnerable and take sensible precautions and ultimately not destroy jobs, businesses and our society will take years to recover.

All of this applies equally to Australia and pretty much every other country so I am not having a dig at the UK.
Needless to say I totally disagree with your statements on loss of freedoms based on what you have been reading in the media. We live here and have not experienced or felt any loss of freedoms. Test and trace is entirely voluntary, people will only be advised to self isolate, the minister made that quite clear. A week or 2 back he was asked if vaccinations would be mandatory once a vaccine is available. His response was that vaccinations have never been mandated and won’t be in future since enough folks do it voluntarily to get the herd immunity needed.
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this virus was never a serious threat to healthy people.
Really? I'll tell the two widows of friends that have passed away from it, and their young children, that then. Both men in their early 40's with no underlying health conditions whatsoever.

I'll take restrictions of my freedom (which are very limited anyway IMO) over the risk of losing my loved ones any day personally.
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The New World Order is upon us. Next we will learn that David Icke's stories about our ruler being giant lizards are based on reality.
Well frankly, I do have my concerns about the current contents of No.10.
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Default Re: Agony over decision to come back to UK

Originally Posted by fastrhino View Post
Just general freedoms such as the freedom to associate, freedom to travel, being able to work and operate a business without the government breathing down your neck, with added rules and red tape.

From what I am seeing coming out of the UK it is concerning how civil liberties are being undermined by this pandemic and we are being told this is the "new normal" and things wont return to any kind of normality until a vaccine.

The Track and Trace seem Orwellian too with sweeping government powers to detain / lock-down people suspected of having come into contact with CV19 with no probable cause or right to appeal.

It seems there is an apathy among the general population around what this means to human rights going forward.

Hard fought freedoms lost in the name of a public health crisis I suspect we have lost forever without another fight to get the back once the crisis has passed.

If that's what you really think, then you've answered your own question. Stay where you are.

Personally, if it were in my power, and if I really thought that the country I want to live in were under threat in the way you describe then I would be on the first plane back to try and help do something about it. But it isn't - yet - in my power to return. And there is no plot to take our "freedom" just some temporary measures to control a virus for which we have no vaccine and not much in the way of treatment. Are you in any way aware of the measures that the UK took during WWII when people were busy fighting those Nazis you mention? If not, you should look them up. I certainly wouldn't let any of this stuff stop me from being somewhere I really wanted to be.

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Many experts are coming out and saying the same thing, protect the vulnerable only, this virus was never a serious threat to healthy people. So the cure now is worse than the disease.
(1) we protect the vulnerable be acting to minimize the incidence of the disease in the public at large. Isolating so far as possible all the vulnerable isn't likely to work very well if we allow the infection rate of the public at large to be 30%+ especially as there appear to be asymptomatic carriers who can infect people. And (2) it is easy to be wise after the event - back in March when everything got shut down, we had very little reliable data and some early figures seemed to suggest 10%+ mortality, and if that had been true then I think most of us would be very glad that the stable door was shut relatively early, and that governments hadn't waited until more reliable date became available several weeks later!
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This is a tortuous question to answer which most of us on here have gone through at some point. I would keep it simple, ignoring media for now, although there are very real changes in the UK in the last 20 years which you might like or not.

- Weigh up what you would be leaving in Oz and what you would be gaining in the UK, particularly dependent on the locations you are leaving and arriving to locally.
- What also would be left for you in the UK when, sadly, your Mom passes away? What would you do then?
- I've certainly experienced that the UK is not easy for socialising compared to Asia where I was before, although I can't comment on Oz.
- Could it be simpler if you take a long break and spend three or more months with your Mom in the UK? Bearing in mind UK residency ties which might screw up your tax situation.
- Could you move back to Oz without visa worries if you wanted to? Again, there's some tax implications to consider.
- If you're single and free, then open the champoo as you only have yourself to really worry about which makes things much easier and totally under your decision.

Just some ideas for you, and anyone else worrying of the same. I'm certainly not expecting you to reply, but I think the "think with your head and your heart will catch up" comment is very apt.

All the best. MP
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